Offshoot from the Andrew Tate thread, click post below for full context on how discussion started
Are these drag story time shows for kids sexualised?
Offshoot from the Andrew Tate thread, click post below for full context on how discussion started
Are these drag story time shows for kids sexualised?
Hasnât drag been a thing for thousands of years anyway? I donât get why thatâs an issue now unless theyâre heavily sexualised in the presence of children
Drag in itself is inherently sexual and should be nowhere near kids
Drag has existed for thousands of years lol itâs not exactly a new phenomenonâŚ
I wasnât talking about the story-times, though i disagree with them too, but the performances.
Itâs not new but itâs not for kids
Iâd like to tease out what you mean by this. Is it the government? Is it policy of any department?
Or is is a bunch of soundbytes by politicians to individual situations? And some twitter noise to go with it.
I could get into the Drag shows thing (though I donât even know what you mean by drag shows for kids) but again, thatâs a small individual thing and Iâm more interested in the overall sentiment youâre expressing here.
Again, Iâm more interested in the assertion about how big this trend is. From personal experience it may as well not exist but I recognise I am more removed from it than others. You described it as the new normal. It just isnât that is it? âNormalâ is very much the same now as it always was.
Donât waste your time, people once argued it appropriate for someone in drag called âflojobâ who post 18+ content on SM to read to kids at school.
The logic was if the kids donât get the sexual reference thereâs no harm lol
Drag is not the same as panto either
No, it isnt. Mrs Doubtfire wasnât sexual. Panto isnât sexual. Mrs Brownâs Boys isnt sexual. They all involve drag, so drag is not inherently sexual, by the definition of inherent.
Mrs doubtfire is not drag panto is not drag either and you no this to be true. Drag includes cross dressing but itâs performative hyper sexualized caricature of the famine. Itâs distinct and different
Iâve been to some drag nights. I really doubt thatâs what theyâre doing in front of children
Loads of childrenâs media has jokes included for the adults, that kids arenât meant to understand.
If youâd be outraged by that Animaniacs joke, then youâre consistent, and fair play. Personally, I know a child wouldnt get a joke about fingering Prince, as I didnât when I saw the above as a kid, so I genuinely wouldnât mind my kid watching that episode. There is literally no harm.
By the same measure, a drag performer making a joke referring to a sexual act that a child wouldnât get also wouldnt upset or outrage me.
The thing is, a lot of people (this is a general point, of course not aimed at anyone on here) would react very differently to the Animaniacs joke than they would a drag queen making a similar joke. Because one of the jokes is being made by a degenerate homosexual. For a lot of people, thatâs what it comes down to with dressing up as a woman. Done by a straight man in a comedy kids film like Mrs Doubtfire, fine. Dressing up as a woman to read a story to some kids, not fine. Even when thereâs no sexualisation present in both instances, a lot of people will have an issue with one and not the other.
Well the government pass the legislation so yeah itâs them, but I doubt it comes directly from their own minds because I find it hard to imagine any of the Tory boys giving a flying fuck about drag. America will set the cultural tone and through whatever mechanism it filters down, it ends up here.
I donât know what your asking for really - my overall sentiment is that if you look at anything we would consider as traditional then the current trend is for it to be considered bad or if not bad then certainly as unimportant or replaceable.
Yeah but panto and family films are deliberately sanitised because they are for children. itâs not the dressing up thatâs the problem. With story times you do have to factor in the motivation of the story-teller because of the proximity to the children. Iâd be willing to bet that most drag performers do sexualise it or otherwise why do it? Basically, they fail the babysitter test so no way near a kid. As for the performances, they arenât anywhere near as sanitised as a panto or a family movie and also there isnât anywhere near the same level of oversight.
âIâd be willing to betâ
So basically youâve got no fucking idea lol
What legislation directly attacks your ability to live your life traditionally?
For you to back up your position. Youâre saying this:
But that simply doesnât ring true to me. So what is it that makes you feel this way and how do you back up your assertion?
When is drag not sexual? You seem to working under the presupposition thatâs itâs not whe it is inherently sexual
So an adult male who has a sexualised stage name and performs sexually for adults isnât getting sexual kicks out of dressing up as a woman? Give me a break. Then they decide hey Iâd love to perform for kids. Red flag.
All drags are not peadoâs but drag is not for kids
Give an example, who are you taking about? What do you mean âperforms sexually for adultsâ? Are you talking about strippers?! Cos so far it seens like a load of assumptions and generalisations and "Iâd be willing to bet"s.
Give some specific examples of whatâs got you so worked up and we can discuss the actual content of the examples you have provided. Because so far nobody is demonstrating the sexualised content of any of these performances for kids.
I gave you examples of drag performances.
Unless you can reference some explicit content to any performance, Iâm not accepting that a bloke wearing a dress is inherently sexualised.