This is the issue it shouldn’t be that microscopic for an offside decision.
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IMO the issue is that VAR shouldn’t do offsides at all 
In the EPL, the lines are manually drawn… and that is a huge problem.
But that’s the one decision that’s is truly objective! Let’s not go backwards
That’s not the most important thing for me though. It’d take time to explain but I don’t want more correct decisions regardless of everything else. I want -strictly- better refereeing. This means VAR can never overturn the ref on anything, only add information for better decision making. If a ref didn’t see a guy pushing a guy in the pen box, VAR shouldn’t look at it and decide that it’s a pen. They should call the ref and say: did you see this push? if you didn’t come look at it again. If the ref saw it then play resumes. If he didn’t he can look at it and reevaluate. They should only add more information, never make decisions. This should include punishing players for dumb shit the ref didn’t see after the game/in between games as well imo.
So with offsides: you need to let the linesmen make the calls in real time. Nothing else. That’s how the game should be played. This is their job, they should do it to the best of their ability. No VAR should ever come in and say actually you were wrong, it wasn’t offside. Now VAR is doing the reffing. This opens up a whole new can of worms and you can no longer say you’re doing strictly better refereeing, you’re changing refereeing.
Linesmen look at the positions for offside and make the calls real time, no backsies, this way the whole new video technology of VAR never introduces things that are called differently from before, which is what causes all the shit people have problems with. This way you can always say: well before VAR you would’ve gotten this same decision anyway so why are you complaining. Whilst if there was a shove in the box the ref didn’t see, I think everyone can agree that now you don’t know what the ref would’ve said had they known, and then he can get help with a replay. For offsides - linesmen do their job to the best of their abilities, goals are scored or they aren’t. Just like football always was. No fucking waiting a minute for some dude in a room somewhere making decisions. Refs make the decisions.
It’s the only way to add VAR and only add good things to the game and not bad things. You don’t increase the percentage of correct decisions as much, but you will never be able to say it was better before VAR because you would’ve always had the exact same decisions anyway, just that you just give the refs more info to make more informed calls with, if that makes sense (I also understand if it doesn’t 
but it does to me).
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This is exactly how it should work.
The offside bit…that only works if they change the rule to be a lot more in favour of the attacker I think (although my own preference is just get rid of linos and automate it fully).
You’re being really charitable for an official’s capacity to have humility and correct an incorrect decision.
That’s a rubbish take. About 95% of the time they go to the monitor they overturn the initial call.
Yep, same for me. So many decisions - mainly offside where I find myself saying “well technically…” And that to me is a load of crap. If the ball crosses the line, yes, that should be an exact decision. But offside shouldn’t be!
I am repeating myself now, I know, but the offside rule was not brought in to nit pick. I don’t want to wait 5 minutes while VAR works out if an armpit hair is playing someone online.
Referees should just use their f-ing common sense.
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But VAR should have the flexibility to overrule an official or at least make the call for the official if the official is ignoring something or couldn’t have possibly seen something. Saying it should never be able to change something is too restrictive for me.
My issue is that it seems like the VAR isn’t involved in some questionable decisions. We know that on potential red cards, for example, if the official goes to the monitor, you’re more than likely getting a red card. But if an official makes a blatantly wrong call, shouldn’t the VAR have the ability to overrule it with the benefit of technology? Or are you willing to just chalk that up to both a low probability of it happening and the fact that it’s “human error”?
I like VAR as a concept. There should be video review, especially for off ball incidents but the way they’ve implemented it has been horrible. There are so many ways they could fix it both in terms of technology and practice (i.e.: issue a retrospective ban for an incident that should have been a red card during the match and wasn’t or broadcasting VAR conversations).
I was only responding to the charge that they won’t change their decisions. They will and they do if presented with appropriate evidence.
How that evidence gets presented, I don’t think @oompa is saying VAR can’t interfere and look to provide it, just that it should never be the decision maker. The ref should see the video in all instances and make their call. I agree. If it’s serious enough for VAR to potentially overturn what the ref has done, show him and let him make the call.
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Excellent.
Need to educate players to stop arguing because VAR is doing his/her job.
Isn’t the women’s world cup doing this as well?
EDIT: Ahh this is quite different indeed, having all the audio for everyone to hear at home
This is the perfect implementation of VAR
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Commentators in England would be absolutely bamboozled to find out the VAR review isn’t just refs screaming “BUT IS IT CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ANTONY?”
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“You may award the try.”
If hearing the conversation helps some people’s peace of mind then fine. But that conversation has had no bearing on the decision itself, it’s just what happens anyway, so it’s hardly groundbreaking. It probably wouldn’t be used in lower leagues either. Just seems like a waste of money and something else that can go wrong to delay the game
Correction *hearing the conversation has no bearing
How would it delay the game? The conversation already takes place (you would hope), it’s only not made available for all to hear.