And a like on that long post before my exit 
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Unfortunately Marx and Marxism are very much misunderstood by 99% using these terms and definitely by Americans.
I have family (including my parents) for the history books who lived through Communism and who experienced Marxist-Leninist society first hand. While not all was rosemary and sunshine, not all was bad either and in some aspects (equality between women and men) it was more advanced. Free education. Obligatory and free school summer camps for children. Free healthcare. To name just a few.
The worst aspects were lack of freedom of movement and freedom of speech. Monetary issues secondarily.
My mother was looked down upon when she came to the Netherlands in the mid-seventies, not for just being an immigrant, but for working as a female, let alone as a mother. It was extremely uncommon at the time in the Netherlands for women and mothers especially to work at all. She was a proper feminist in her time.
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He good? He bad?
I love my simple mind
Wrong wrong and wrong.
Nazism, which is what German National Socialism is/was—“nazional”, was predicated on ethnic supremacy and modeled after the Italian fascist movement lead by Mussolini which influenced fascist movements all over Europe. There’s a reason Germany and Italy were allies during WWII.
It’s a political ideology, not an economic one even if the Nazis applied some aspects of socialist economics.
And there’s no such organization named “antifa”. You can say anti-fascists and talk about a general tendencies of the people you may have observed but to say you knew a member of Antifa, from the early 2000’s no less, is laughable.
If perceived authoritarian behavior, violence and intimidation are your standard to be categorized as fascist…well then I see your “antifa” and raise you every police department in the USA.
One has intimated, bullied, beat and murder a faaar greater number of people. The other is just short hand for anti-fascist.
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Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. NSDAP.
National Socialist German Workersparty. This is the name of Hitler’s political party.
Do you recognise the key words in bold?
To what extent they were socialist and a workersparty in terms of economic agenda is to be debated, they did privatise certain industries, but also kept private property as an incentive for people to participate, but they were on those aspects at times compared to the Soviet Union (even though they absolutely hated Communists - which leads to the fascist elements of racial purity, tradition and so forth which was opposite of Communism).
Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, they were not all the same in ideology and in other beliefs. There was overlap in fascist elements between them, yes.
You can laugh all you want, he is what he tells me he was and I have no doubt to doubt him. Antifa originates from the late 80s in Germany. All throughout the 90s there were many many antifa affiliated groups active in Amsterdam. Perhaps where you are from it is different. But it is a serious fact that my mate was part of antifa. I actually know lots of people with strong leftist ideals bordering on anarchy and antifa, most of them mellowed down now though as we all grew older and I was always the one arguing with them about ideology and politics, just as I am doing here.
Nobody says the police in the U.S. especially isn’t a problem. It is and it is a toxic, sick, destructive one. But that doesn’t mean, we cannot acknowledge that those calling themselves antifa aren’t exhibiting fascist elements such as authoritarianism, intimidation and violence.
You know full well just because someone says they are something, doesn’t mean they are.
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NSDAP was absolutely right wing in terms of racism and racial bigotry, tradition, conservatism of ideals and so forth. But the spectrum of left and right goes alongside economic fault lines too. There the NSDAP scores left wing points.
I understand we put the social aspect as a more important barometer for being left or right than the economic one.
Hence why Democrats in the U.S. are considered to be quite right wing for those in Europe who are fighting for economic leftist ideals and against rampant capitalism and classicism.
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Haha did you even read what you posted…
It basically saying they didn’t far enough in to the ideals of Marx…
To me he is, I know the guy, I know how he lived when we were students. 100% anarchist with antifa affiliation.
As with everything on the internet, up to you to believe what you want. I always try to be as transparent and upfront about my positions as possible and on top of that I have my own ways of thinking and understanding all the facets of ideology and political life in the past and in the present and I refuse to play the binary game of left and right, good or bad. There is 100 shades in between and both sides are rotten and somewhere in the middle is the light.
For me.
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This isn’t explicitly a right wing thing.
North Korea calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
Do you recognise the key words in bold?
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Well, I need to cook dinner and clean the baby’s diaper, so I will skip this debate for today. 
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Fair play, fair play. Still they did adhere to some socialist principles on the economic spectrum.
Here I’m just replying to the notion that calling yourself something means that’s what you are, it’s really poor reasoning.
I did elaborate on it though. They were more left in economic issues than liberalism in Europe at the time and capitalists. Economic they had socialist positions.
We look at social issues, they were undoubtedly 100% right wing on the end spectrum.
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The nazi party practice socialism along the lines of race, everything they did, the idea abolishing private property, abolishing the aspects of capitalism in the German economy, rather than focusing on class the idea was along racial lines.
Yes, that is fair, I wouldn’t deny that they had some left wing policies when it comes to the economy, it’s historical fact.
But if we look at why the Nazis are considered one of the most evil political movements in history, it’s not cos of the left wing economic policies lol
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You’d think that, but the nazi party actually made it seem like the german people are the proletariat who were being exploited.
Of course.
However, nowadays a party who is staunchly anti-immigrant but actually is socialist on economic issues is simply designated far right. This happens to the PVV in the Netherlands. I find them abhorrent and hope they will never win, but the ignoring of the economic aspect of a political party bugs me.
For instance, communist China is regarded as left wing, typically. Despite that there is strong Han-superiority elements running through their social make-up.
So for one side we focus only on the social aspect and for the other side solely on the economic?
I wish media and politicians were more precise in their labeling. But to keep things simple for the cattle (us) I guess that what it is reduced to. Left: communists. Right: fascists.
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