The Labour Party

If that private company is doing a good job, then I have no issue with them making profits.

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It is generally considered that the privatisation of the railway has been a complete failure. If you ever want an integrated transport system, it needs to be in public ownership. aka TFL.

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It hasn’t fully hit yet but the boomer generation put us in a near irreversible doom loop. I don’t see how a Nationalised care service addresses the underlying issues of an aging population bankrupt national insurance system.

The white paper sounds like boomer slop.

https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/1920237904418246930?t=GVJtymLbvLwOfFS4WUn6bw&s=19

https://x.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1921484136079851919?t=xykubHlexeYDRwXvrZYPwQ&s=19

https://x.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1921491075258101957?t=tNYJp_y_R1A0bVy57IV-XQ&s=19

Pay workers more - simple.

Shareholders can cry about 35% profit instead of 55% profit - boohoo, my heart goes out to you

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Or, fuck over the elderly, infirm and disabled. That sounds more like my country. :united_kingdom: :united_kingdom: :united_kingdom:

Just sounds like he is petrified of Farage.

Could Labour be in trouble in the Cities with rhetoric like this?

No one think KS believes a word of his speech

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1921840117238427923?t=_aX9wJNVG0TO30dycSirbg&s=19

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Ever since I mentioned he’s playing to the gallery it’s getting worse lol. What are his speeches going to look like in the next few years?

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The places that were using these pathways are also terrible employers anyways.

These peoe come and get exploited and that’s why these visas were opened.

They cry about needing immigration from red list countries because they know these people at first will let themselves be exploited.

But the turnover in care companies is so high as eventually carers realise they are being had then leave.

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Completely and utterly understandable, I genuinely can’t see why anyone would buy it.

In 2020 he was daying that Labour has been too scared to make the positive case for immigration (so by implication, the Corbyn era was not pro-immigrant enough for Keir, lol), that the Tories have created a hostile environment for migrants/asylum seekers and that low wages and that issues with public services and housing are political failures, and that migrants should not be scapegoated.

Now he’s going the complete opposite direction. People can change their minds, but I really don’t believe that this man in his sixties has only just had a revelation about the harms of immigration, let alone at the exact moment in which he feels it is politically prudent for him to do so.

If Labour wants to take this route, they need a leader who has not been so loudly pro-immigration in the recent past and does not already have a reputation with the electorate for being dishonest and insincere. I still don’t think they could outflank Reform on the issue, but they’d have a slightly better chance.

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Right wing racists are never gonna vote for you Keir, no matter what stripes you wear lol.

Even if immigration comes down, the public will still vote them out because the ā€˜damage’ has already been done.

Saw a stat that there’s 131k open care jobs. Why are British people not taking these jobs? Is it because of poor pay?

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It’s just another illustration of the fact Labour don’t mean what they say on any issue, because they’ll reverse any position if they think it’s the way the wind is blowing.

If you were a Reform voter who was especially motivated on the topic of immigration, why would this sway you to vote Labour? You’re already voting for a party that you know means what it says about immigration (even if they have no prospect of actually delivering). It’s so clear when Starmer and the Labour front bench speak that there is no sincerity behind their policies. They try to chart the course of least resistance every time in a political landscape where there is no path of least resistance.

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Yeah basically.

Starmer thinks that channelling Enoch Powell is going to win him votes? :slight_smile:

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If Starmer was genuinely listening to what voters were saying before the election, he would have made immigration part of the Labour manifesto but waiting until Reform start winning votes, before doing anything about it, makes him look like an opportunist and weak.

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Keir and his Rivers of Bluff

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Yes, it’s exhausting work and the pay sucks.

My mum worked in care. Devoted to this type of work. She wanted to do a few more years (when we moved) but seeing the package on offer (and trying it) she decided to retire instead.

One thing I’ll say (and why I don’t like the British people are lazy and don’t work narrative) is they did recruit British workers. Young people in particular. White British as well. The problem is keeping them. The turnover was high. (Which is why I don’t understand this training thing). Which I think makes sense. Hard work for pay that might just cover your bills? Hardly the conditions that keeps people around. Employers are also definitely taking advantage of the ā€˜cheap labour’ aspect that they can recruit a foreign worker and not improve the conditions of the job.*

  • Referencing what my Mum tells me about what she’s experienced.
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Starmer’s made a few more X posts. So the strategy then is tough talk on immigration.

Well, we’re going to see if this strategy will work or not. He’s already off to a terrible start doing it as an reaction to performance of Reform in the local elections. Then his fake performance of a speech as well. People are already convinced he’s not genuine. Short of deporting people on a mass scale I have no idea how he’s going to persuade anybody.

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Excuse my complete ignorance in regard to UK politics.

I’m listening to Starmer’s recent speach via a politics streamer.

Wtf is this nationalist, anti-immigrant rhetoric!? Leaning into racism because his neo-lib party can’t raise a finger against the capital class. From the so called ā€œlabourā€ party :man_facepalming:

I guarantee this has something to do with his recent groveling before emperor trump. He’s just setting the stage for your version of MAGA (Reform UK?) to make gains.

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