PL Title Race 23/24

I don’t think dominance should be expected because again, they are isolated matches so a lot more room for variance and for quality to not be completely reflected. And of course the quality at the very top may be similar at any one time.

Overall, as you basically point out, it’s a pointless argument because we can’t truly quantify any person’s view on it. I personally think the PL is the best league in the world but others will feel differently and none of us can really overrule the other with robust empircal evidence.

I agree that the league format of the CL should be quite interesting.

How could you do that to Elon?

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Would be absolutely fantastic if it ends up with 3 teams on equal points. Could definitely happen.

PL seems to be overwhelmingly the most popular league in Africa and Asia.

Premier League viewing figures far surpass those of any other league on a global scale, that’s a fact.

Viewership does not necessarily correlate with quality, but I genuinely can’t think a better way of measuring which football league is generally perceived to be of the best quality other than that.

Viewership means a lot.

People choose the good ones to watch.

If you can choose, do you watch NBA or CBA?
NFL vs CFL?

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Overall Quality =/= Competitiveness. I always thought the best league in the world mantra clearly referred to the former. I think of Ralf Rangnick trying his cute 4-2-2-2 here and falling on his face.

It’s a closed shop but which top European league isn’t? If football could do something about the cheaters, it’ll be nice.

That might well be so, but it can also be simply good marketing, PR and sales

It doesn’t mean it’s The Best League in the World ™

What’s your way of measuring this?

The same as yours. Subjective :slight_smile:

I gave plenty of reasons why it is not necessarily the best league in the world. Stuffing bottom dwellers with -57 GD not exactly tough opposition.

Also, many Asian and African fans adopt some club because that club happens to be big at that time or win something significant. That’s why clubs like United, Real, Barcelona and also Chelsea have large followings outside their countries.

I doubt some Chinese guy in Huangzhou supporting Chelsea is going to tell you Sheffield - Luton is an amazing watch and the Prem is the best league in the world :slight_smile:

That label always was a PR, marketing trope for the most part.

All been said and done in this thread and most come to the conclusion that it’s subjective and seasonal.

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I agree, that’s why I made sure to say viewership doesn’t mecessarily correlate with quality.

But as flawed as it is, it’s probably the best way of measuring global opinion if you want to try and determine which league is considered the best.

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Only 6 teams in the Bundesliga have a positive GD btw. 6 out of 18.

Ligue 1 ain’t much better, 8 teams out of 20.

La Liga the same. 8 teams out of 20.

So throwing up that table ain’t of much use here.

Well I am told h2h this league is so much harder than other leagues, but I don’t think that is necessarily true.

So I show the table and the GDs. As with most leagues we have 5-6 teams that are decent, 1 team that is dominant.

Since City dominates this league for the last 7 years, the league isn’t more competitive than a Ligue 1 or Bundesliga, which also have one team dominating with the odd-season where someone else wins it (Lille last year and Leverkursen this year).

Serie A is much more competitive for that matter - with 4 different winners in the last 4 seasons.

PL is the best league in the world.

You can’t do marketing of a shit product for this long. We are talking about nearly 30 seasons of PL dominance of world footballing interest.

Outside of Bayern Munich, Real, and Barcelona, the rest of the football has nothing to offer the wider audience to sustain their interest for long.

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The reality is no league matters more globally than the PL. Its not even debatable.

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I keep coming back here for title race talk and everytime I am disappointed

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10 years ago it could be more of a debate cause of Real and Barca being two mammoth clubs with Ronaldo vs Messi etc.

But these days the PL shits on all other league its not even funny.

Yeah the prem is definitely the biggest league in terms of following in the world.

La Liga definitely the more successful league if you use European cups as your measurement, last ten years Spanish teams have won more CLs (6/10) and more ELs (7/10) than the rest of Europe combined, there isn’t really anything to discuss.

This year the Prem is a three-horse-race and all three teams just went out to the worst Real Madrid in my lifetime, a 4th placed Bundesliga team and a 7th placed Serie A team.

Not to mention that since 2001 La Liga teams have won 22 finals in a row that they’ve attended (CL+EL), 5 have been between two Spanish teams, and it’s up to 10 wins in a row against English teams.

Whilst I think the Prem is definitely better as a package and all, La Liga is definitely higher quality in some aspects, especially when a team is good they’re just better at football, you’re watching the best there is to offer.

Also it’s ups and downs, whatever you think makes a league the best doesn’t mean it’s a walkover, some years some league edges it, another year another league edges it, league “power” comes and goes imo.

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It’s such a big shame that Messi never played in the EPL.

I wonder why the very best players in the world very rarely end up here :thinking:

A win for us on Tuesday against Chelsea puts a massive strain of pressure on Liverpool to do something in the Merseyside derby the next day.

I also, strangely, fancy a backlash from West Ham on the Saturday lunchtime against the Scouse Bastards. They’ll have had a 6 day rest going into that one.

Let’s just please do our job against Chelsea. I see that as a banana skin, but a win will make all the fanbase, universally, feel good. :folded_hands:t6:

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I’m alright with it.

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