Cesc Fabregas

Fair enough.

I still think that if you were making/naming a 1 to 11 any any point between 2006 and 2010 (inclusive), Fabregas wouldn’t be in it

Just because he’s not in world XI he’s not world class? If that’s the standard for being world class than I’m OK with him not being WC.
He had the ability to play in basically any team in the world, not just to play to be one of the main players in any team… He obviously didn’t impose himself in barca as expected, but they had on of the best midfields in the history of the sport at the time (to me it was ridiculous guardiola even tried to change the formation in 2012 after the historic 2011 season).

So someone’s only world class if there isn’t more than two better or comparable players in the world. Gotcha.

Excellent.

I’m not having Fabregas being called world class and therefore put on the same pedestal as Messi, Maldini, Maradona, Adams, etc

You can not call him world class all you like. But he was still world class. :slight_smile:

Adams is WC but Fabregas isn’t? :thinking:

That’s a very arbitrary way of deciding who is world class or whether somebody is good.

Oblak would make a world XI, does that mean Alisson isn’t world class because he doesn’t make it into the team? Is Ederson suddenly an overrated goalkeeper?

Or when Henry was in his prime and Shevchenko, van Nistelrooy were world class goal scorers, does one of these 3 suddenly become less good because they don’t make the world XI? There can be more than one world class player for a certain position.

Easily

I don’t think you ever saw Adams play, no?

Are you sure Adams was WC? I haven’t watched the game at that time, but I kinda have a feeling there were always better CBs around… or to be more precise, in which seasons would you put him in the world XI?

I think that’s me done.

If we’re going to unquestionably call Fabregas world class but ponder over Adams, call the men in white coats

You have set the standard… again, if you missed my edit, in which years would you put Adams in the world XI? I’m serious and actually curious about it.

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Don’t think you have seen Fabregas play either?

They weren’t better than Cesc either

Goal or assist every…

Gerrard: 2.38 games
Cesc: 2.17 games
Lampard: 2.18 games

Given they both scored way more penalties than Cesc he’s got better numbers.

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I know he had much better numbers in terms of assists and created chances… I don’t think anyone could touch him in that regard in his prime.

World Cup finals, 2010, Spain can’t get a goal on regular time to win it.

Cesc Fabregas comes on, assists Iniesta for the winning goal.

You could say he… had to be in it :henry2:

He might get in some seasons or just miss the cut. That’s an epic level for ‘world class’ btw. Alexis, Ian Wright and probably even Vieira/Pires aren’t world class by that metric

Would Neymar get in a world XI with CR7/Messi taking his prefered position? Not world class.

Only Xavi, Messi and Ozil.

Nahh, not even them created that much. At least I believe, as I can recall he was always on the top in those areas.
Yes!
I’ve found it!

“And boy, could he could create. According to data from Opta between 2006-07 and 2010-11 no one in Europe’s five biggest leagues managed more assists than Fàbregas’s 60 – or created more than his 466 chances. Not Lionel Messi. Not Xavi or Mesut Özil, Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard, although they all made the top 10. Fàbregas also averaged 3.5 chances created for every 90 minutes he played – again better than anyone else in Europe.”

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He would most definitely get into those United sides who had to cope with oldies Scholes and Giggs in centre midfield during that time. United was the best team in England during 06 - 10.

Gerrard is one of the most overrated players of that time. I’m so glad ‘The Slip’ happened to him and is something that he will always be remembered by.

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Hugely.