Brexit

A driver’s viewpoint that turned up in my newsfeed yesterday:

So, you are running out of food on the shelves, fuel in the garages, you can’t buy things you need, because the shops can’t get their supplies.
Why is that?
A shortage of goods? No
A shortage of money? No
A shortage of drivers to deliver the goods? Well, sort of.

There isn’t actually a shortage of drivers, what we have, is a shortage of people who can drive, that are willing to drive any more. You might wonder why that is. I can’t answer for all drivers, but I can give you the reason I no longer drive. Driving was something I always yearned to do as a young boy, and as soon as I could, I managed to get my driving licence, I even joined the army to get my HGV licence faster, I held my licence at the age of 17. It was all I ever wanted to do, drive trucks, I had that vision of being a knight of the roads, bringing the goods to everyone, providing a service everyone needed. What I didn’t take into account was the absolute abuse my profession would get over the years.

I have seen a massive decline in the respect this trade has, first, it was the erosion of truck parking and transport café’s, then it was the massive increase in restricting where I could stop, timed weight limits in just about every city and town, but not all the time, you can get there to do your delivery, but you can’t stay there, nobody wants an empty truck, nobody wants you there once they have what they did want.

Compare France to the UK. I can park in nearly every town or village, they have marked truck parking bays, and somewhere nearby, will be a small routier, where I can get a meal and a shower, the locals respect me, and have no problems with me or my truck being there for the night.
Go out onto the motorway services, and I can park for no cost, go into the service area, and get a shower for a minimal cost, and have freshly cooked food, I even get to jump the queues, because others know that my time is limited, and respect I am there because it is my job. Add to that, I even get a 20% discount of all I purchase. Compare that to the UK £25-£40 just to park overnight, dirty showers, and expensive, dried (under heat lamps) food that is overpriced, and I have no choice but to park there, because you don’t want me in your towns and cities.

Ask yourself how you would feel, if doing your job actually cost you money at the end of the day, just so you could rest.
But that isn’t the half of it. Not only have we been rejected from our towns and cities, but we have also suffered massive pay cuts, because of the influx of foreign drivers willing to work for a wage that is high where they come from, companies eagerly recruited from the eastern bloc, who can blame them, why pay good money when you can get cheap labour, and a never ending supply of it as well. Never mind that their own countries would suffer from a shortage themselves, that was never our problem, they could always get people from further afield if they needed drivers.

We were once seen as knights of the road, now we are seen as the lepers of society. Why would anyone want to go back to that?

If you are worried about not getting supplies on your supermarket shelves, ask your local council just how well they cater for trucks in your district.
I know Canterbury has the grand total of zero truck parking facilities, but does have a lot of restrictions, making it difficult for trucks to stop anywhere.

Do you want me to go back to driving trucks? Give me a good reason to do so. Give anyone a good reason to take it up as a profession. Perhaps once you work out why you can’t, you will understand why your shelves are not as full as they could be.

I tried it for over 30 years, but will never go back, you just couldn’t pay me enough.

Thank you to all those people who have shared this post. I never expected such a massive response, but am glad that this message is getting out there. I really hope that some people who are in a position to change just how bad it is for some drivers, can influence the powers that be to make changes for the better. Perhaps some city and town councillors have seen this, and are willing to bring up these issues at their council meetings. It surely cannot be too much to ask of a town/city to provide facilities for those who are doing so much to make sure their economies run and their shops and businesses are stocked with supplies. I never wanted any luxuries, just somewhere safe to park, and some basic ablutions that are maintained to a reasonable standard. I spent my nights away from my home and family for you, how much is it to ask that you at least give me access to some basic services.

There are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of licence holders just like me, who will no longer tolerate the conditions. So the ball is firmly in the court of the councils to solve this problem.

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This is definitely what should happen. But the easier option is to just reduce regulation whether that be on the visa side or how the industry itself operates so sadly, it won’t.

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Agreed. Could they use this leverage to unionise?

I’m still in awe that the Gov ‘allowed’ Tom, Dick and Harry to have the vote on complex European legislations.

49/51 my arse. Whole thing was a ruse.

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:face_with_hand_over_mouth:.

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But there will be soon.

There isn’t tbf.

There is a driver shortage.

Splitting hairs though isn’t it? If the petrol isn’t at the stations there’s a shortage.

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If anyone needs petrol and can’t get any, my mate Jerry can…:innocent:

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I fucking despise the media. Like 4 days ago some stations ran out of petrol it happens, always has done, there’s a shortage but people were just continuing as normal. Boom PANIC EVERYONE PANIC EVERYTHINGS EMPTYYYYY.

730 This morning queues everywhere. Fucking everywhere. Losers man, wonder who gave them cash. Supermarkets? The government? Countries exerting influence to cause panic?

730am on a Saturday. Reminds me of all the panic at the start of the pandemic when I saw some woman take all the baby formula in one go, and an entire trolley of full fat milk.

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Exactly the same experience this morning. I was on just under a quarter tank and have quite a bit of driving today with my daughter so went to fill up as normal to discover the roads in my town are at gridlock at 7 am on a Saturday, to say nothing of getting into a petrol station itself.

But, at least people are stupid and predictable. Drove to a petrol station 5 minutes out of town and got my fuel relatively painlessly. Still, this is absolute idiocy. There isn’t even a fuel shortage in the petrol stations themselves. There was no point going home before picking up my daughter so I’m not having a coffee in Tesco where they’ve sent people out to manage the traffic so you can get in if you’re not getting petrol and the staff here said they’ve got loads of fuel it’s not even like it’s running out. it’s just a very small number of petrol stations across the whole country that have had to shut.

Did give me time to notice the papers are leading with headlines like PANIC AT THE PUMPS. Idiots everywhere. Media, government, panic buyers, the lot.

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Feel pretty good owning a PHEV right now :kroenke:

That took me a second but it’s brilliant :joy:

The selfishness and ‘im alright jack’ attitude so many in the UK have is properly on show right now.

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If the media tell people meat on the shelves will run out in two weeks, they’ll ransack all the meat from stores and freeze them.

We are getting fleeced to the bone. Everything is going up in price except for wages. The Gov are engineering a consumer panic to manipulate the market and increase demand for the product, so that they can put the prices up to stem the demand.

Who’s pocketing? The Gov and the suppliers. It’s so obvious but the nation is full of thick cunts. There literally wouldn’t be a problem if panic buying didn’t ensue…Fucking l-o-l.

If you don’t want people to panic then don’t tell them so that we can carry on as normal, while you useless cunts can sort out the problem behind closed doors. It’s so obviously engineered. God I hate these Tory cunts.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if you can apply to get back in the EU in several years or something when you’ve tried this thing out. Young people overwhelmingly voted to stay in the UK iirc, eventually they should be a majority anyway for natural reasons I guess.

I know the EU people (Merkel etc.) made some stern warnings but shit changes all the time in politics and like everything else they say, statements like that aren’t worth much a few years on anyway when new people are in power, we see that all the time.

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I see the discussion in here about shortages on goods, but it’s not just England. It’s effecting my business here as well. Lack of drivers for trucks and workers is what’s really causing it imo, and a lot of it has to do with covid. Not actually covid per se, but ppl realizing that they hate their jobs and don’t wanna go back to them, coupled with the shabby treatment they recieved when being let go due to covid the first time around when the lockdowns happened.

This is an interesting article about the worker shortage here in the states. Brexit probably has something to do with your issues there, but I don’t think it’s the only cause. I sell booze and we are out of stock on stuff like Jameson, Absolut, Patron…crazy shit.

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I wonder what’s the timeline on automated truck shipping?

Surely driverless vans/trucks will be on our roads within the next 10/15 years or so?

It will change everything when it comes to trade