How many leavers feel betrayed by the bus? To me it’s just the remainers complaining.
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Why shouldn’t they complain?
Its clear the idea of leaving was ill thought out because striking a deal was always going to be difficult and here we are three and a half years later with no resolution and no deal looking like the only viable option with a majority of parliament meanwhile saying they wont allow it and so far their votes have ensured that.
Two prime ministers have left. There has been a change of government and still no progress. If this was my country I’d definitely be complaining. A total and complete clusterfuck is all this has been from day one.
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The idea of leaving was always going to be Ill thought out, noone, absolutely noone expected brexit to be voted for there was no plan for us to leave at the time, it has been rushed because of it.
I was referring to the remainers complaining about the bus lie and the leavers are not.
Not in general. In general everyone’s complaining because of the shower of shit I agree, because it is. That’s fine.
The Europeans and the remainer mps in the house of commons are the ones making it as difficult as possible, if the vote was for brexit everyone should work together for what the people voted for , not putting their energy into delaying it for the possibility of a second vote or pushing a deal which is pretty much the same as it was before brexit, that’s not working for the majority , its just looking after self interest.
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The deal, even though it’s shittier than what we currently have, passed through parliament. It was the timetable that was rejected.
That’s bullshit. If I was a MP right now I would absolutely see it as my job to be preventing no deal in any way that I can.
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If you are referring to this ‘lot’ … Then sorry they voted . No good marching . They made their decision and lost . A boycott around Parliament would have made a bigger impact.
Leave is leave - out is out .
The UK will still trade with the EU but under our terms and conditions and likewise with the EU . The world won’t end on the 31st , far from it , it will be the start of other EU countries leaving Brussels.
The most likely outcome of a trade deal with the EU is the exact same terms that exist today.
If you lied in a private company like these MPs have you’d be thrown in jail ffs !! Why should it be different in public office !?
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There definitely isn’t a mandate for No Deal. Even if we accept the ridiculousness of reducing such a complex issue to a binary choice between “Remain” and “Leave”, a 52% to 48% majority is nothing like decisive enough to say the country endorses leaving with the hardest Brexit possible. In fact the democratic outcome, if there is one, from that referendum is leaving with a deal that retains close ties to the EU. Leaving there is a mandate for, complete hard Brexit there isn’t.
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The problem is none of this was ever talked about before or during the vote. A lot of people didn’t realise what was involved.
Imho it was to complex an issue to have gone to a vote in reality.
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The EU isn’t the reason for this, it’s the fact that London has all the jobs, all the investment and the rest of the country. So for decades people from all around the country and the world will move to London/South for work. This feeds back into all the money and economic activity happening all in a relatively small area of the country. Because of this more people will be competing to buy or rent property and property prices will escalate in relative terms.
Because of this and our government policy, not the EUs policy but consequtive Labour and Tory governments, foreign investors have bought up London property as investments, which in turn pushes up the demand and market value of the property.
The only solution for this is to move government departments and the House Of Commons to other parts of the country. In turn companies will relocate to service the public sector. It won’t happen, because they all personally prefer living in the Londoncentric wealth capital, but it should.
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I was in school during Tony Blair’s labour as well 
But you are right in what you said.
Yeah it was discussed; people just conveniently forgot.
Dominic grieves the cant discussed it.
And what was Leaves claim ‘they will give us a deal, a better one than we have now’
Which turns out not to be true, like the NHS lie. So now we have this new information a new referendum makes sense.
You do want Democracy don’t you MrHappy?
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For a start, alot of people that get involved with marches or raising their voice, include those that technically didn’t get to vote in the first place. Whether it was because of their age or other means. I especially can understand their frustrations.
There are also those (like me) who voted remain but have had to respect the outcome (even though the tight winning margin more suggests a straight split through the country, rather than a resounding “victory” for leave).
And despite respecting the result, a hard Brexit was never going to stand, and the binary yes/no options is what lead to some politicians (like Boris) thinking they could get away with that in the first place, but pressure from MPs and pressure from the public is evidence enough I think, that there is huge concern for the type of Brexit that was voted for. Therefore I don’t mind the people having another say.
As for this triggering other countries to leave the EU… If they’ve been following this debacle they should know how good and well the difficulty level of fully departing can be, whilst the rest of the world looks on in confusion/laughter about the example Britain has set.
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Have to say it was a gift for deflecting Monday nights result in work with non Arsenal lads in work by last night.
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First off people didn’t vote for deals, I don’t why people spouting that nonsense! Secondly what about remain claims did they come true? Just wondering.
Fun fact a majority of leave voters rather no deal.
A lot of people forget exactly what the conversation was prior to the referendum. It’s like night and day.
If they have politicians like ours then yeah I agree it would be difficult to leave.
The biggest threat to this country isn’t leaving the EU it’s a possibility of a Labour government or even worse the fucking Lib Dem’s .
October the 31st can come quick enough.
When the other EU members see our economic growth and forecast for greater monetary rewards they’ll leave one by one .