Reason I ask as an outsider is because here in NZ, all the media coverage of Brexit seems to be more in favour of anti-Brexit sentiment.
But many things that Brexiteers cite as good reasons for leaving (e.g like more control over tariffs and fisheries etc as well as trading on WTO terms on more things) are all just the reality of what happens in my country.
So that’s why I was hoping to get some feedback from a few people about how those sort of things might be different in this case.
Never mention the veto 
We’ll put it to a vote should we.
Well it’s not like your next door to the biggest single market in the world for a start also when it comes to fisheries we could put money into having a fishing fleet which could equal that of any other fleet from an EU country…but we don’t want to make that investment, just ban others from fishing in our waters. It’s called the Trump answer to problems.
We have a Veto on any proposal put to us by the EU we don’t like and because of that we don’t have to accept it and we still are able to take advantage of this massive single market. But for the leavers of this country it’s about them feeling sovereign not about the economy…that’s the difference between leavers and remainers.
Imo (I’m not in the UK) The reason the EU was founded is the reason countries should be in the EU, it is the first time in fucking millennia that a majority of Europe including the the driving countries in Europe have been at peace for this long (70 yrs or w/e it is). It’s less about tariffs here or deciding the shape of bananas there.
There is always a growing worry about decision making becoming centralized (Germany/Brussels telling others what to do) but that’s half the truth, in the public opinion it’s the secondary effects of the migration business (Arab spring, Syrian civil war etc). that put pressure on many countries economically and the entire immigration setup in Europe as a unit into question, which made everyone start wondering why ‘we’'re not deciding our own rules about everything in ‘our’ own country.
The point is that these worries are arguments that have an easier time winning the debate when you don’t put ‘peace’ on the ‘pros:’ list because you take that for granted (when did taking peace for granted ever go wrong?) And this comes from someone whose country a) has far less say in the EU than the UK does and that b) has been at peace for over 200 years yet still worry about complacency lol
All good points. But I wish I could declare war on yous for the creation of ABBA.
I’d lose because it seems I’m the only one that hates them but it’s a good hill to die on.
how can you hate ABBA?
Karaoke probably.
Ha ha
That post makes me wish we had a dislike option 
Bottlejob
He didn’t bottle it. Parliament and the judicial system dictated what options he had.
It’s all heading for a no deal Brexit , which is what we want .
Why do you want no deal?
Who’s “we”?
Does this include those that marched last Saturday for a say on the final deal (including below)?
The Government are going in circles and at this rate we’re more likely to not get around to leaving, rather than a no deal.
Both remainers and a big portion of leave voters surely did not envisage a no deal scenario, when the original referendum was concluded.
I wish I could find something principled to care about in Brexit. I voted Remain, but not by much. I seriously considered Leave and in the end voted the way I did because I didn’t really buy into the arguments for Leave to a significant enough extent to roll the dice on the economy.
I don’t like the EU, it needs serious democratic reform for the influence it holds over our lives and prosperity and it seems to be completely impervious to attempts to do that. That its rules have generally done some good for workers in the last decades does not excuse the lack of accountability, and I’m in no doubt that no matter what benefits it may afford me, it affords many more to multinational corporations and investors that dominate our economy and buy up property making home ownership a near impossibility in South East England.
Our own country would do little better with “control.” generally Conservative governments are the rule and not the exception in Britain and that does worry me when the recourse of the European courts is gone. However the Conservatives are easier to hold to account than the European Commission.
Ultimately, I find myself more and more concerned with the small picture. Chiefly as a commuter in the South East I worry about my diesel bill and whether the motorways will remain passable. Perhaps its selfish but in the short and medium term, the only thing I can find to care about these days are my own interests and how Brexit might affect them. I can’t stand the forces at work in the government but equally, even as a long term supporter of this Labour Party, I find little in this parliament to get behind. If a Brexit deal which appeared to leave me and the country in a decent position appeared, I’m not sure I’d argue too stridently against it.
The argument of the Remain side has always been they’d win a second referendum at a canter. People who voted leave are often trotted out in the media to say “I never voted for this”
However, as someone who voted Remain in the referendum, I’d consider my vote very much up for grabs in another one.
We were specifically told that leaving without a deal was “Project Fear”. Now those same people pretend that that was what they wanted, and were promised, all along.
Every election campaign and government is filled with lies do we demand re elections when promises are not fulfilled? Not saying it’s right but it’s the only thing they have to cling to. Otherwise demanding another vote looks as stupid as it sounds. The other brilliant one is complaining old people shouldn’t have a say on the country or the future whilst also voting for old man Corbyn
An example of a lie during a campaign was Tony Blair education education education, I went to school during his entire time as PM and most my classes were in fucking porta cabins with substitute teachers throughout his reign.
No I wasnt a Leaver. I am now because the majority won and the social media campaign by the students and celebrities is infuriating as fuck.
( I clicked on reply to you but I didnt mean to so this isnt in response to.you mrhappy sorry I dunno how to work this website on my phone )
Difference is we have elections to change our minds if we choose wrong, or we feel betrayed.
