Better yet what are they using the money for? They don’t list any programs/projects nothing at all.
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99% of people that protested or gave any kind of shit at the time may have liked this catchy slogan, but they weren’t giving a fuck about this twitter handle that happens to use the same words in it.
If someone else had said be at this place tomorrow for a protest they’d have still gone.
This is almost a complete strawman that people who didn’t like the protests want to pretend was the entire reason for them. They want to pretend thosands of people went out to advertise this organisation, rather than to show contempt for the actions of the police.
The only relevance is they’ve cashed in on donations from some stupid celebrities who didn’t do their research on what this was about and assumed it was something it’s not.
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Yeah but we were specifically talking about the organization BLM UK, not the general slogan.
The discussion initiated with the tweet of demands from BLM UK
Everyone of these people just wanted to be part of something big, akin to street cred nothing more nothing less.
If even 15% of those people started putting money in to community programs it would do more than matching and screaming BLM like it would do anything. Anyway BLM slogan is useful because it makes it hard to criticise.
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That’s not fair. I disagree with BLM but I don’t think those protesting want street cred. They want to live in a society without racism. I know lots of Americans from my Facebook feed, all of them pro BLM. I find a lot of what they say poorly conceived but they are good people with well intentioned aims.
Not street cred but for them to have the ability to say they were part of something big, similar to the civil rights movement.
If they took two secs to look in to BLM and what they’ve done rather than slogans and sound bites, most of them wouldn’t support it.
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You say that like it’s a bad thing. People want change in American society and they want to be a part of the movement that pushes for change. It’s admirable, not something to sneer at.
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This. The usual criticisms lobbed at BLM are similar to ones lobbed at Antifa. They expose pre-existing negative attitudes toward challenges to authority.
Seems like authoritarian types are finding it hard to quantify and label these as registered organizations with membership cards and uniforms. It’s how they understand their own world and it’s confusing when confronted by amorphous movements against that sort of world view.
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What is good about Antifa?
Seems like just an excuse to destroy stuff
What’s bad about anti-fascism? Because that’s what antifa is short for. It’s not a football club with a badge and an overpriced kit.
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If you hold any opinion other than theirs youre a rrrrrrraciiist and a faaassciiisttt and you should be banned. Everyones a fascciiiissttt and a nnnnaaaazi and reeeeeeeeeeeeee.
They are meant to be anti fascist but its turned into everything vs them.
Yeah Concept and Execution is completely different here.
There is no pre existing negative attitude here rather a sheer disgust of how masked individual are destroying in name of Antifa. They even hijacked BLM and gave a bad reputation to BLM protests.
I don’t think anyone in a stable democracy needs to indulge in proactive anti fascist activities.
Bingo.
And nothing wrong with what you said there either. These are decentralized movements that attract all types; the majority of which I’ll say are there for the right reasons. There are of course unhinged individuals, opportunists and agent saboteurs but that’s with any collection of human beings. Nothing’s perfect.
Most of us have been to school here in the UK I’m curious as to what part of the UK education system is racist?
I finished high school back in 2003 which is 17 years ago and in my shitty school we learned about MLK, The civil rights movement, Mandela, the slave trade, Northern Ireland, India and Ghandi, the Holocaust, both world wars, the immigrants who came over during that period (like my grandparents from the Caribbean) how all the countries and peoples of the common wealth fought together e.g the Sikh pilots in the Battle of Britain, Romans etc… in the majority of those the UK and British empire were all portrayed in a bad light. We had a lesson called R.E. Were we learned about every major religion. I played for my school football team, 90% of the players on the team were black or mixed race. Most of the London schools we played were the same. Really I’m not sure what they mean when they say the education system is racist and blacks have to be decriminalised?
What does the borders refer to? I’m in favour of free movement personally but they have stated how or what they want to put an end to.
And in general like @mhappy said what are they planning to spend the money on And what actual projects do they have? Also just want to say that I’ve been all over this country and I’m not saying that there isn’t racism because there definitely is but Ethnics (Asians, middle easterners) and whites have it as bad as blacks in a lot of places.
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Here you go with the “they vs us” nonsense. Unless you believe in the status quo of crushing descent, crushing minority groups, endless wars, militarizing police, etc. you shouldn’t be so indignant.
Side note: One of the reasons I love football culture so much is because it channels some of those tribalistic instincts into something positive like sport. Of course you get instances where football becomes a vehicle for the same tribalistic behaviors–political elements in teams like Lazio, Barca, St. Pauli, many eastern European/Balkan teams etc.
Theyre the ones that turn it into us vs them. You have to believe exactly what they believe otherwise you’re an enemy, no middle ground or differing opinions.
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There’s no middle ground in the culture war 
You’re framing this as two a sided argument and assuming you’re side of it is legitimate, then getting mad because others won’t agree with you.
What you fail to notice is the FACT that there are innocent people being murdered inside of their homes by authorities. The FACT that there are no consequences for police murdering civilians. This is not about “opinions” and “ideas”.
Why am I mad, im not mad in the slightest. I’ve always said, I love different opinions, id never get mad or frustrated if someone is different, apart from Boris and Hancock the pair of twats
I dont fail to notice that and that’s why BLM have valid points, im arguing against ANTIFA, who on social media is us vs the world. They hopped onto the BLM hype and ruined everyones perceptions of it. And made it really hard to relate to them. BLM was mostly peaceful with valid points. Antifa loaded the riots up with bricks and weapons and burnt peoples businesses and shops down. Go after the police, whatever, but they actively burn everything down, oh your shops open you must not support this, let me kick the crap out of you.
Antifa shouldve made it clear it was them rather than hiding amongst BLM riots.
Im not really framing it as 2 sided as just saying from my point of view I can never side with them or ever sympathise with them because they’re so against everyone who isn’t exactly like them.
If you don’t have many people on your side, then you’re just a few thousand people against the rest.
It turns into a culture mince
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Who did the police kill in they home?
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