Black Lives Matter Movement

[Jules]

I think it depends entirely on who the butt of the joke is.

[arsenescoatmaker]

@SRCJJ

The UK has a huge problem with racism so I’ll support the slogan and give my backing to the organisation (until they do something that goes beyond what’s acceptable - which they haven’t).

There’s certainly unsavory elements within sections of the protest. The anarchy, looting, numerous deaths, homeless guy getting set on fire, another homeless guy getting his bed set on fire, shop owners getting beaten or put in hospital, protestors destroying small businesses. The self policed state in Seattle taken where police won’t enter has several people that have been shot (amongst each other), 1 killed and a rape complaint from within it.

Seattle will move to dismantle 'Chaz' occupied protest zone, mayor says

[Midfield_Maestro]

Comedy is society’s way of acceptance and intergration, especially in the UK and US I think. It breaks down barriers and makes sensitive topics easier to address.

To start banning it all is doom and gloom. Are we going to live in a serious world where we cannot make fun of each other whilst accepting each other for who we are. Bad precedence to set IMO.

Walking on egg shells is no way to live.

[Cristo]

@Dr_Strangepass

But tampering with TV takes them from neutral to hostile. Instead of talking about prisons we end up talking about Jesus or Peep Show. Collectively the country just goes - please make it stop.

It’s a great way to look incredibly oversensitive and thereby lose support by attacking something that a lot of moderate, neutral people like. That’s not how to get the moderates on board.

I’ll be surprised if South Park or Sacha Baron Cohen’s film The Dictator along with Tropic Thunder Survives the purge.

[Jules]

South Park, if their history is anything to go by, will likely make an episode where they mock all of this.

[Cristo]

@Midfield_Maestro

Are we going to live in a serious world where we cannot make fun of each other whilst accepting each other for who we are.

No of course not, everyone will still be allowed to make fun of straight white men and women.

[Dr_Strangepass]

@Cristo

I’ll be surprised if South Park or Sacha Baron Cohen’s film The Dictator along with Tropic Thunder Survives the purge.

I read that an episode of Golden Girls got dumped cos they were wearing mud masks.

[arsenescoatmaker]

TBH while it was jokey, it was also somewhat serious. I’ve thought for a long time it’s a shame many 70s-80s sitcoms can’t be watched anymore because of the changes in political correctness. What next, can we not watch White Chicks anymore? Obviously a bit different. Pardon the pun but it does whitewash history and culture. Also most people complaining probably don’t know why black face is racist. It’s nothing to do with impersonating a black man/woman.

Jakey is kind of right about the Peep Show. It’s not meant to be racist, IIRC Jeremy says ‘isn’t this racist’. The girl who demanded he did replied ‘How racist are you if you can’t roleplay as a black man while pretending I’m your mother’. It’s deliberately absurb.

[Trion]

@SRCJJ

So I don’t really think offensive comedy should be protected

There’s hardly any comedy out there which is not deemed offensive by one set of people or the other.

[Trion]

@Midfield_Maestro

Walking on egg shells is no way to live.

This.
For all the positive acceptance, I feel like we are moving towards a society where we are always going to walk on egg shells.

I had a strong discussion with Jakey before that the society is just gonna put on an act, rather than being actual friendly.

[mhappy]

The world will never be equal, that concept is a joke; people are unequal by default and there is nothing you can do about that.

Comedy should be protected it’s the one place people can make fun of absurdities, bring humour to bleak subjects, educate, and just a place to escape the crap in the world. Like @Trion said what’s offensive is different for different people.

[CliftonGeraldi]

@mhappy

The world will never be equal, that concept is a joke; people are unequal by default and there is nothing you can do about that.

There you go lads. Stop wasting your time fighting for justice. End this topic here.

[mhappy]

Justice is not about being equal…

[SRCJJ]

He’s been screaming it the entire topic lol. It’s almost like he just wants the world to accept that it’s grossly unequal and nobody should do anything to change it but just continue to plod along as we are. It is what it is

[mhappy]

The world never be equal because people aren’t equal is that a hard concept to understand…some people are smart some are dumb, some are tall some are short you can’t adjust society for equal outcomes without pulling people down to the lowest denominator.

[arsenescoatmaker]

A long read on a black conservatives nuanced view on the movement and the issues face in the community from within it. Probably with all due respect to them, the view of @mhappy @ryaninho articulated a little better

http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/

[Stroller]

@mhappy

The world never be equal because people aren’t equal is that a hard concept to understand…some people are smart some are dumb, some are tall some are short you can’t adjust society for equal outcomes without pulling people down to the lowest denominator.

Yeah we should of left them kids cleaning chimneys and never bothered with schools and education.
Just know your place in society and get on with it.
Usually your banging on about raising yourself up and go forward. Today your saying forget that and accept your lot. Your pissing on your own agenda here.

[JakeyBoy]

@Cristo

I’m not going to lie @JakeyBoy , I’m experiencing a bit of schadenfreude from your post about Peep Show after you supported pulling Little Britain and Come Fly With Me

I made a jokey comment about Little Britain being shit and that being grounds to have pulled it years ago, if memory serves me correctly.

Aside from that, schadenfreude doesn’t really fit anyway. That’s taking pleasure in someone else’s misfortune, Netflix removing one scene from Peep Show while Channel 4 doesn’t is not any sort of personal misfortune for me, I don’t care lol. I just thought that a discussion of whether there is any room for nuance when it comes to blackface might be of some interest in this thread.

[JakeyBoy]

@JakeyBoy

HBO responded to criticism of the film with a statement saying: “These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible.”

The streaming service added that the film would return to the platform accompanied by “a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions”, but would remain unaltered “because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed”.

Think there’s probably something in this. Wasn’t it Looney Tunes or the other old cartoons, that whacked a disclaimer at the start of some episodes to basically say the above?

@Cristo

Yeah I think it was Looney Toons or the old Mickey Mouse, I think that’s a fair compromise.

Bruh we even exchanged posts on not removing old and arguably offensive material from wide availability, and how if anything putting a disclaimer on it and leaving the content up would be a compromise

How you now gonna do me like this :papa: :bellcry:

[mhappy]

Seriously your argument is so dumb right now; educating children does make them equal rather it gives them a chance to make something of themselves (opportunity).

Accepting your lot in life? That’s not basis of my argument that’s how you take it; what I am saying is that change needs to begin internally. You bring up child chimney sweepers it ended due to innovation within the enlightenment period and the awareness of how terrible it was (a practice that lasted for more 200 years)