Black Lives Matter Movement

Yeah I was thinking that :joy:

It’s so funny that all these companies are coming out in support but if you do even the slightest bit of digging they’ve all exploited some minority in one form or another.

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‘Which legacies are being celebrated’ already makes me think of the Little Red Guards lol.

I’m all in favour of a bit of diversity with statues in London, but why does that have to entail pulling stuff down. Why not just put a few new ones up?

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Owen Jones has now gone full Little Red Guard, he’s posted an interactive map on Twitter of things that need to be pulled down including a university lecture theatre and statues of Cromwell, King James, and Charles 2nd. They are proper fucking mental.

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Got nothing against this but isn’t this just a reaction in light of what’s happened this weekend and if so, is it really in commemoration of whatever person they create a bust for or for the sake of revisionism?

It’s funny because I was joking earlier that we were going to have to pull down a lot of statues and busts all over the world if we deem history offensive.

Guess I was right and it wasn’t a joke :grimacing:

I mean a few slave traders I can get behind, but that Owen Jones map is fucking dangerous. I mean do we pull down Emperor Trajan or Abraham Lincoln, they kept slaves. Do we pull down Ghandi for racism? What about Mosques - pretty sure Mohammad kept slaves. What about Hugo Boss. He helped the Nazis - bricks through their windows, maybe Lewis Hamilton can get on his knees and beg forgiveness for wearing their gear.

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Hope the vandals are met with an iron fist. There’s a way to get these things removed/changed. This is not it.

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But why should we change King James or King Charles or Cromwell.

Cromwell was pretty bad on the Irish wasn’t he?

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both owned slaves as well.

Pretty sure there’s some nasty history in Churchill’s past as well.

His statue has been defaced, as has randy Gandhi’s in Leicester

I get that people are venting emotions out of good intentions to some degree, but just on the topic, invoking moral superiority too hard on previous generations is such a self-defeating task because the joke’s on you if you do, every single person alive today will look like a moral cave man at some point in the future make no mistake.

Ofc we should point out that we don’t believe this and that any more, and try to be responsible with what message we send to children and yada yada.

But just about every human who ever achieved something going back a couple of generations and more would be considered a bigoted racist homophobe and a child beating misogynist science denier or whatever we’re into at this particular point in time.

You want to come down on them for that now don’t forget to write on your tombstone that you apologise to every future generation for being such a backwards caveman cunt all your life lol

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If people are truly as woke as me they’ll have already buried a time capsule containing their apology for future generations, I know I have.

Retrospectively apologising is old hat, I’m taking apologies into the future.

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Should have removed it years ago on the grounds of it being utter fucking wank

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It wasn’t remotely funny anyway

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I remember finding it funny when I was 14/15 but haven’t seen it since, I imagine it has aged like sour cream.

Can’t believe looking back how big it was tbf its actually tragically unfunny now

You know what is funny, though, all the comments below the tweets and stories about it. “The snowflakes are killing our society” “RIP comedy” “So the PC brigade have decided we can’t have a sense of humour” and so on and on. People getting offended about people being offended is quite amusing.

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I still don’t agree with taking it down to be honest, but it is what it is.