If we had have bought Ferguson, it would have meant that he would have been playing alongside George Graham, who we bought the season before from Chelsea.
He looks like that guy that plays Sherlock Holmes in that showā¦ Benedict Cucumberbachā¦
And now he looks like Benedict Cunt-erbatch
Am I allowed to have a moan?
That run means fuck all if we didnāt win it.
Tbh I usually share this sentiment on this sort of stuff.
I think the CL though is slightly different. Think getting the final is an achievement but itās probably tinged for me on the failings of never having won it because we should have. Thereās definitely a feeling for me of not being tactically good enough by the manager.
This campaign was our best because we addressed tactics in a more pragmatic and measured way but before and afterwards was poor management.
Yoi really have to be structured in Europe and we got found out far too often.
Iām sure a lot of peope will agree with you, but I donāt look at it that wayā¦ In general, not just with Arsenal, I never just look at the bare final resultā¦ The stuff Juve did under Allegri, getting two finals, Atleti with Simeoneā¦ Or sometimes even getting close to winning the leagueā¦
Performances count imo. The level of perfomance we showed that season, in KO round, was amazing. Absolutely ahead of itās time with the football we played. First of all that game against Juve at Highbury, I said it - the best and most complete Arsenal performance Iāve seen.
The way I rate it: a CL final > UEFA cup win.
Basically the biggest european Arsenal result in the modern history of the club in my eyes.
Winning the CLā¦ I canāt put it in words how much it would mean to me.
(I still have video cassettes of both semi final legs against Villarreal and the final too )
I kinda get you but I think I fundamentally disagree with you, daft as it sounds.
We do remember beaten CL finalists, particularly if itās a bad luck issue (Leeds in 75, Valencia in 00 and 01, Atleti in 14 and 16, Juve have been to 4 finals since they won it in 1996 and not won).
Conversely, I find it hard to remember UEFA Cup winners. I can remember Celtic getting beaten in 03, Liverpool losing to Seville, Man Ure winning it recently, Chelsea winning it twice and Fulham and Boro in a final each. However, case in point, this is only when an English team is involved.
I just donāt think that reaching a CL final, however, should be deemed a success. Iād much rather win the UEFA Cup (in whatever guise) than reach a CL final only not to win it.
Yeah I kind of get this. Iād rather lose a semi final than a final.
This was born out for me when we lost too fucking west Ham in 1980 after all them games with Liverpool. Just a bloody waste of time in the end.
You say that, but Sunderland in '73
This actually gives me more incentive for today.
Fāckin vile pond life scum.
Worth it in the end for me.
I understand that, but, still as I said I donāt look at it that way.
Winning an actual european trophy, the UEFA league, sounds temptingā¦ but still if someone offered me two options for the next season: winning thr UEFA league or getting to the CL final, Iād go for the CL final.
The difference in quality, in the worldwide attention you get etc is just massive. We could like win the next 5 Europa leagues (see! I genuinely donāt even know the proper actual name of the competition! ) and it would be like mehh. Sevilla won it like 3-4 times with Emery but nobody cares.
Itās a great competition for teams like Slavia Prague, Dinamo Zagreb, even for Villarealā¦ Iām not even sure Roma are too hyped about it tbf.
Itās a second tier competition.
It may sound a bit arrogant or whatever considering our league form in the last years, the european results alsoā¦ But for a club with Arsenalās financial background and everything, this trophy just doesnāt carry that much weight. Almost like seeing a super heavyweight boxer/UFC fighter competing in middle weight.
Yeah, Iād love an european trophy, Iām not dissmising the importsnce of the Europa/UEFA leagueā¦ Cupā¦ :pepe1: but the CL is just a whole another level.
The quality of the competition is somewhat overrated. PSG beat Dortmund, Atalanta and Leipzig last season to get to the final. I think with the CL is more the allure, no?
And Real in the group stage.
Iād love to win the EL but Iām not going to brag about it to anyone apart from spurs fans, itās effectively the League Cup to me.
Good servant and top Arsenal man should never have been manager though.
He was a predominantly defensive coach. Bad move by the board this appointment.