Good. Him and his faction can fucking eat it after years of smearing Corbyn and his supporters as anti-Semites. Reap what you fucking sow 
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To me that’s what it is.
It’s slimy and two faced. And does it solve the immigration problem?
Not really.
You’re likely right about it being an obvious and easy line of attack for the Tories, I remember you saying this like a month or so ago.
As everyone no doubts knows or could guess, immigration is not really a concern of mine. Not to say it isn’t an important issue, but it probably doesn’t crack my personal top ten priorities (I say probably because I haven’t sat down to configure a list of my top ten priorities lol), so I am not as informed as I perhaps should be.
But as a solid lefty, looking at the issue superficially, it seems to me that Labour is making a concerted effort to appeal to people who have big issues with immigration/asylum seekers and making the right sort of noises. Take the Rwanda issue: Labour seem to accept the underlying premise that there is an issue that really needs addressing. They aren’t objecting to the principle behind the policy or denying the issue it seeks to address, the criticism they are levelling seems to me to be strictly about the viability of the plan. This won’t be enough for the people who feel extremely strongly about asylum seekers, but won’t it be good enough for most people (pending solid details of what they will do instead)?
In your opinion, what are the failings of their current policy/rhetoric on immigration (legal or otherwise) and asylum seekers, and what do you think they need to do to be less weak on it and somewhat preemptively shut down the line of attacks that will be employed by the Tories and others on the right wing? And will it be possible for them to reconcile this with the fairly pro-immigration stance of many Labour members (I think I remember you referencing this a month or so ago when you posted about this)?
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The Tories are even weaker.
The Tories are incredibly weak on immigration, they just spout lines to keep the right happy and waste money on nonsense like the Rwanda scheme.
They could have spent that money on processings visa applications, asylum applications and enforcing the law in a timely manner which would have done so much more to stabilise immigration. They could have employed many more people to manage the system competently and with sufficient resource.
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Watching the BBC debate now, I think Starmer’s great. I know it’s cool to dislike Labour or any possible leader from the party, but I think he’s going to bring back stability to this country.
The reaction to his comments about Bangladesh are blown out of proportion imho. Britain does have an immigration problem and whether it’s from Bangladesh or anywhere else, the fact remains it’s way too high and a strain on the public services and UK infrastructure.
It’s only in the UK where you’ll get called a racist for wanting your country to take care of its own first.
I’m late to the party here but I actually agree with @The_Invincibles
People should vote!
I remember arguing with people after Brexit about the result. I said “did you vote?” No. Well then you are the problem. It annoyed me so much.
But even now, everyone complains about the Government but then most don’t vote!
It really annoys me. I have never not voted. It takes hardly any time. “My vote won’t make a difference.” Well if everyone had that attitude……
Just bloody vote!! I would be up for fines for people who think they are above crossing the road to vote
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People have the right to vote, or not to vote. That’s a freedom we have in a democratic society.
Punishing people for not voting feels a tad authoritarian.
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I think the major failing (“failing” depending on your viewpoint) is that the proposed policies won’t be effective in bringing illegal crossings down, and it’s generally quite “soft” on legal migration. It is a step down from the Tory policy and will be out of step with our European neighbours, who are hardening their collective stance.
In terms of preventing future attack lines and being less weak there really isn’t much Labour can do tbh. It’s an ideological and practical gridlock, the composition of the party membership and PLP means the party will always lean left on immigration. “Harsh” measures that can drastically signal an intent to bring migration down will never be enacted under a Labour government, which is a good thing if you’re inclined that way politically.
Practically speaking, the UK needs migrants at this time. Net migration numbers going up post Brexit should be seen as a good thing but as we know, the knuckle draggers and the flag shaggers have arbitrary views on migration numbers and migration generally. The people who voted Tory in 2019 haven’t gone away nor have their views changed. Reform isn’t polling as the third largest party for no reason.
Labour’s rightwing political opposition can be as harsh and cold blooded on immigration as vocal opposition. Just as the Tories are losing points to reform because of their immigration record, the same will apply to Labour once they’re in power. As we’ve seen in continental Europe and in the States, rightwingers use otherism via immigration policy to inflame people. It time tested at this point and its playing out all over the west atm.
I can’t really see any evidence on how Labour can avoid the trap 3-4 down the line, we know the UK electorate generally isn’t progressive especially as it relates to migration
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This to me will always be a ridiculous idea when people are struggling.
https://x.com/conservatives/status/1805932619856548153?s=46&t=LlMNFvsPPy2ozwuX8FhQrA
The hell is this
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They got some gall with the tax rises we’ve had to pay for Liz Truss tanking the economy.
Fuck off cunts and never come back.
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14 Years and it’s almost over.
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Until the next time
Let’s get there…when we get there.
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I still can’t decide whether the corruption and incompetence of this Tory regime is something special or whether this is just what happens whenever they’re given the keys.
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What’s gone up under the Tories? Tax, tax, tax, tax…etc.
4.4 million people’s tax burden has gone up due to the Tories freezing PAYE tax thresholds. Something that disproportionately disadvantages those who work part time and/or are on low wages.
Abhorrent and shocking. What a vile group of individuals! 
Nigel Farage’s response:
"I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign…they will no longer be with the campaign.
The appalling sentiments expressed by some in these exchanges bear no relation to my own views, those of the vast majority of our own supporters or Reform UK policy. Some of the language used was reprehensible".
Really Nigel? Really?!?!?
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