2024 General Election

He’s dismayed that they were caught.

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Surprised he didn’t employ that far right whataboutery tactic. Could of gotten away with it too. He definitely wants that Tory job.

https://x.com/Labour4PR/status/1806002089455202378?t=sewWOGsRwoMPgJHkFwvtlQ&s=19

One of the most unprincipled deceitful politicians I have ever seen.

At least the Tories believed in something however vile that was.

This guy is ruthless in his desire for power.

The way he betrayed anyone in his way to rise up.

Vile stuff.

Starmer would make a good Tory

Yea, being in power. Which is exactly what Starmer is doing too.

And looting the country.

Don’t get me wrong I’m happy it’s him instead of Tories but wow, believe in something at least

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If this idiot says this type of thing in public, just imagine what he says in private.
But it’s no surprise the Reform party attracts the same sort of right wing nutters that UKIP did.
Their only real policy is stopping immigration and anyone voting for them needs to realise that all they’re interested In is filling their own boots with tax payers money.

The rise in popularity of the right all over Europe, just shows how out of touch the main parties have become and how they need to listen to voters rather than talking down to them.

It’s unlikely Reform will win any seats, but it’ll certainly send out a message to all the self serving, virtue signalling politicians that have ignored normal working class people.

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@The_Invincibles what were you saying again? :stuck_out_tongue:

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“It’s given us strong government”

This guy just spent years in opposition trashing the current one, I mean fucks sake like.

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I think you’ll find the rise in popularity in the right all over Europe is that the left wing parties who were set up to defend the working class don’t do what it is supposed to do.
Both left and right want to destroy the working class not supporting small businesses tradesman craftsmen etc, replacing the unskilled with machines.

I’ve seen how it goes in many countries I’ve lived or visited, and it’s " meet the new boss same as the old boss"

Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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I read on the internet that Labour/Starmer is 100% winning the election like it’s a no contest, is this the case according to you who live there?

It’s not 100%, but it’s a very high probability.

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Yes, there is essentially no chance that Labour don’t win the election and form the next government.

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I don’t think there’s a poll that doesn’t have Reform picking up seats now, at the Tories expense.

Yep, the funny thing is there’s a chance his vote total will be less than Jeremy Corbyn’s in 2017 but will have around 200~ more seats. Nice system we got in the UK.

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Is this accurate?

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The Sherry polling :joy::joy::joy:

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Sherry consumption has nearly halved in the UK over the last 10 years. Tory Voters have halved compared to 10 years ago.

Co-incidence?

I’m not sure if you’re asking me about Starmer’s view on FPTP or my previous comment about ‘Country first, Party second’…so I’ll respond on both points.

In terms of FPTP, Starmer is right in what he has said in that clip. FPTP does deliver strong Government (clear majority) - that’s factual based on the outcomes of most UK General Elections post the Second World War. It is also very simple for people to understand and it maintains a constituency link, which I think is important.

As I’ve said before on here many times, in my opinion FPTP isn’t the right system or the system we need in the UK, so I disagree with Starmer on this. I favour the Alternative Vote (AV), because it retains the benefits of FPTP (constituency link, tendency to deliver strong Government i.e. clear majority, but ensures that the winner in each constituency has a majority of support. It isn’t proportional like the Single Transferable Vote (STV), but it does make our current system better IMO. It also importantly deals with tactical voting. In order of preference, I would prefer AV over STV and then lastly FPTP.

I may be wrong on this, so I will stand corrected, but generally there hasn’t been much support within Labour for a new voting system. I seem to recall that Blair made positive noises about it, but it was never seriously considered after their landslide victory in 1997. Brown offered AV as part of a Coalition deal with the Lib Dems (to introduce it without a referendum as part of the deal). The irony of that of course is the Lib Dems plumped for a coalition deal with the Conservatives, lost the referendum on AV and then got hammered at the next election…possibly one of those ‘sliding door’ moments in UK political history, and interesting to think how things would have been different if we had a Lab/Lib Coalition in 2010, which introduced an AV electoral system. Anyway I disagree with Starmer on FPTP!

As for the ‘Country first, and Party second’ statement, I personally judge people on their actions and not their words, so willing to give him the benefit of doubt on this and see if this is how he operates as PM if elected next week. It is a stretch to say Country first means a new electoral system, because Starmer’s view represents the majority of those in the Labour party and the Conservative party, plus the merits of FPTP and other systems are all debatable - ultimately all have pros and cons. There is no perfect system.

Respect your opinion but if Labour gets 400+ seats you can kiss that hope of electoral reform goodbye, Labour aren’t giving that up.

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