Comparing Friends with Seinfeld is like comparing shit with genius.
I don’t even know if Friends is more popular tbh, Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld and the principals became major multimillionaires off that series, and yeah, I’m sure the creators of Friends wouldn’t mind being the most critically acclaimed and best written sitcom of all time.
The cast of Friends were being paid a million dollars each per episode by the end.
Seinfeld was more popular at first, sure. But it started first. And maybe critics will rate it above Friends now. But over all I think Friends is definitely more popular with the general public. People still love it, worldwide. In the UK Friendsfest sells out regularly. And Netflix paid 100 million for it last year ffs.
Though, I actually remember reading that in terms of awards, in the 90s, Frasier beat both of these shows – which I also don’t find funny.
You can definitely say the same for Seinfeld, probably the only sitcom that is discussed in universities.
I really do need to check out Frasier though. It and Brideshead Revisited are the two older shows that I’ve been trying to get myself to watch but haven’t yet.
While we’re talking about sitcoms how do people rate Veep and 30 Rock and Parks and Recreation? Veep came up in a chat with some friends today when I was talking about how much I was loving Thick of It, it’s by the same showrunner…I hadn’t really considered it because I had kinda just assumed it was crap american comedy kinda like I assume the latter two to be. So many people rate the latter two though, I’ve also considered giving them a real chance but haven’t been able to get myself to ever.
Basically it’s so well written, and manages to get in some really subversive/misanthropic/even philosophical themes while still managing to fall more or less under broad comedy (the kind that could be as successful with the masses as it was), that university professors are often fans/often use it as a point of reference.
When I was in the uni way back when it was discussed with Beckett, among other things. When I was doing my master as well I had a professor who quite liked to use it, despite (or because of) it’s lack of success in Spain.
Aside from that you can just have a google, I know there were some courses inspired by it back when I was in uni and I’m sure there’s even more now.
Another question for my british public: do you all rate Terrence Davies as much as british critics do? Tried to watch Distant Voices, Still Lives given how highly rated it is but couldn’t get into it, perhaps cause the quality of the torrent I found was a little shit, should I give him another go? (I did see The Deep Blue Sea and more or less enjoyed it)
No one answering is probably a no to your first question
Yes, I think you should give him another go.
Distant Voices, Still Lives is one of the great films of the 80’s and as great as anything made by Powell & Pressburger.
Don’t remember much of The Long Day Closes (I really need to see it again) but that one is considered one of his great films by most of his fans.
Would strongly recommend Of Time and the City and Sunset Song too.