PLEASE!!
@someone who is properly tuned into/a part of the fanbase of another league (la liga, bundesliga, whatever), do fans in other countries hate VAR as much as many fans of English football do?
Is VAR globally shite, or is it being implemented particularly badly here?
I canāt stand VAR but I donāt know if this is the right move.
The problem is the rules and implementation. āClear n Obviousā added more unnecessary subjectivity with how selective they use the technology. Sometimes the ref goes to the monitor, sometimes they donāt. Sometimes lines are drawn sometimes they arenāt. One season handball in any build-up of play cancels a goal, another season it doesnāt.
They need to streamline the process and build up from there. Get rid of 4 guys in the backroom talking over each other. Let the on-field ref verify his own decision 100% of the time. Throw it on the big monitors in the stadiums or something.
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Its used awfully in Scotland aswell.
The champions league is the bench mark they are usually very good
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In my experience, they just hate the referees and how theyāre using VAR.
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Iād definitely get rid of linos ahead of VAR. Iāve always said it but whats the point in calling offside unless something of note actually happens at which point, VAR/automated offside.
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There are a lot less complaints in Holland. Itās successful here
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VAR is not even remotely as bad in MLS as it is in the PL. maybe itās a cultural thing because we have challenges in NFL. But even baseball has implemented a version of VAR in a way thatās so fast and efficient compared to what the PL does.
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record bad in the PL. itās like every left or right turn decision the prem went the wrong way.
also itās a massive mistake in general to implement it as trying to get as many correct decisions possible, it should be implemented to get as many correct decisions as possible but always being equal or strictly better than it wouldāve been without VAR, which is a different thing - meaning you pretty much only use VAR in case the ref doesnāt see things, if he does and gets it wrong it is what it is, offsides arenāt VARable - thereās a linesman for calling them in real time etc. Never wait for VAR to make a call. Only bring in VAR afterwards if something wasnāt called because it wasnāt seen.
That way, you can never say it was better before VAR because if a linesman fucks up the offside he wouldāve if VAR wasnāt there anyway and so on. That way it has less impact, thereād be less stupid waiting for boomers to draw lines with ms paint etc. It can only be an improvement. If you worry about corruption it also doesnāt matter if you have VAR or not, you have bigger problems.
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https://twitter.com/kae1enftbl_/status/1790798586977914913?t=IchypfgE-TARsHMP_8fSLQ&s=19
Canāt wait for this again
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I really donāt wish to go back to Pre-VAR era.
People donāt recall how bad it was.
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Are they seriously thinking about abandoning VAR?!
No matter how bad the implementation has been so far, you canāt even compare the percentage of wrong decisions nowadays compared to the pre VAR era lol
Obviously itās super frustrating when you have those long pauses and long decisionsā¦ They should do something about that, maybe just put some time frame in which they should make a decisions, if they canāt just give that the ref did.
Or just train/organise those video refs better to make those decisions quicker. Ffs shouldnāt be so hard, they arenāt designing rockets there. Thereās huge room for improvement there.
Again, if itās about a foul/pen, there should be a time frame.
Abandoning it just sounds like a horrible, defeatist ideaā¦ Is anyone seriously thinking the refereeing is gonna get better withouth VAR?
Worst VAR >>> the best ref ever, no contest.
Fuck Wolves.
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I really donāt understand why more people donāt get this lmao. The issue is that when VAR gets something wrong itās even more in focus now because people had this unrealistic expectation that EVERY decision would be correct. In reality, they focus on the outliers and ignore all the decisions which previously would have been wrong that are now corrected. Itās impossible to argue that VAR hasnāt brought a net benefit overall, even with all the issues.
Iāve actually become way more frustrated with the hysterical discussions surrounding VAR than the mistakes themselves at this point.
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Who interpretated the fucking rule that the ball bounced off the defenderās hand is allowed but it is a violation on the attacking player??
Who the fuck had an idea of this, and who the fucking morons voted yes to this??
A bunch of idiots that has IQ lower than 80.
Absolutely.
I can understand some people being frustrated with VAR ruining the rythm, flow of a gameā¦ But those people absolutely have no right to complain about the wrong decisions withouth VAR, if they want to get rid of it.
First of all the offsidesā¦ The human eye simply cannot focus on the two spots at the same time, on the forward who makes the run and the passer. Thatās where you have the biggest obvious improvement with VAR. Clear, huge, obvious wrong offside calls were a regular thing before the VAR. Now theyāre just making a mess with those milimeter offides which can go either way (or in some cases where they DONāT USE VAR). But the overall improvement in this are is simply undebatable.
Also some small, yet pretty obvious, incidents in the box which the ref canāt see because they happen too quickly, handballs (shit still happens here, but the VAR is not an issue, we simply donāt have clear handball RULES yet), fouls etcā¦
Thereās no debate all the decisions got better in the endā¦ Whatās frustrating is that the expectations with VAR got a lot higher, and rightly so, and atm they are definitely not meeting them.
But anyone who is expecting the refereeing and the decisions to get better withouth VAR is out of their mind and canāt be taken seriously imo.
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This is exactly the core point for me, many of the same people who moan and complain about not being to celebrate a goal would have been the types that bitched about every blatant error that was made by referees previously.
I just think that VAR has solved something like 80% of the problems but now we have people who have somehow twisted logic so much to the point that they feel eliminating all the positives and going back on this is in fact some sort of progress.
The PGMOL has made some terrible errors both in terms of implementation and use of VAR, but focusing on these problems is misleading because it gives people an impression that there are now more issues than we had before, when there are clearly less. People do really need to look at the full picture hereā¦
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just suggestingā¦
how about having additional 2-3 more refs/linesman to make on field decision rather than having some idiots to make stupid calls upstairs?
Because fundamentally its not possible even with extra officials on the pitch for them to get enough right without the use of replays, theyāre human after all. Obviously the people upstairs are only human as well, but they now have the added benefit of being able to look at footage multiple times and from different angles. In a majority of cases, this will lead to the right outcome as it has done.
It is never going to be perfect, but I promise you that if we substituted VAR as it currently exists for what youāre suggesting, there will be more incorrect decisions not less.
let me rephrase it.
1/ I did not mean to take out VAR. I appreciate the technology.
2/ as you said, it is not going to be perfect.
3/ because it is not going to be perfect, having an actual referee/linesman to make the decision is not much different from having an idiot to āinterpretateā everything miles away from the field.
When the Mfers draw the line to determine offside or not, under what circumstances they will use VAR to check and when not to check? How come the lines they draw sometimes is thin as a hair and sometimes it is thick as a fuck?
These Mfers canāt even set a clear rules and rules that makes sense for them to make decisions.