Despite not knowing what or where the Congo is, seems trump is about to secure a deal for the incredible minerals in the Congo. The rape of Africa still in full flow.
So it begins
A trade deal with the US is simply not worth it.
Our future lies with Europe.
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100% agree. The UK really needs to understand this. The single biggest thing we could do to boost economic growth and living standards, would be to rejoin the EU.
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Up till today, I still don’t understand why you guys voted to leave EU.
Always seemed there were more goods than bads if staying.
I ask myself that every day Ron. It was a stupid decision that was based on lies, prejudice, and misinformation. As a country we voted to make ourselves poorer!
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Because 52% of the country were dull as fuck and gullable.
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Farage saying leaving Europe is best for the country because we have a special relationship with America has seen him conspicuously quiet recently.
A lot of Brexiteers have realised what a mistake it was to leave the EU because everything is more expensive but it’s funny that they’re often the people who are complaining the loudest.
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It was the poorest and forgotten that voted to leave as a fuck you to the establishment*. It was a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Also, they felt ignored when their votes to curb immigration were betrayed decade after decade. The thing is though, Mr Brexit - Boris Johnson - oversaw the highest ever levels of immigration in British history.
*Some similarities could be made to people who live in the US rustbelt voting for a coastal elite billionaire who gives tax breaks to his billionaire coastal elite friends. Though he at least did promise to bring jobs back - unlike any of the Mr. Brexit(s), their big promises were trade deals. xD
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My two nans voted leave, they both died in 2019. Cheers nans 
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There’s plenty of explanations, but I’d sum it up in one image because frankly, he skates a lot of criticism even to this day.
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I think he gets too little blame and conversely, I feel Farage gets too much credit.
Farage was always an outsider, the real Brexit campaign ignored him like the plague. Gove & Johnson were the big players and Farage was the stupid cousin they didn’t admit to. They didn’t even thank him when he stood down his candidates in 2019. xD
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I think the issue with the Brexit is alot people who have a predisposed view of EU don’t really understand how the the EU works, or how it morphed to a ever closer union in the interim years or the fundamental reasons why we left.
Make no mistake, the Brexit referendum was the greatest expression of democratic will over the last 100 years in the UK. Its interesting after 10 years and 3 general elections where the issue of rejoining was either highly contested or settled you think people was start to understand.
The dismissive tone towards working class voters over the issues that lead to Brexit has proven to be costly electorally. Yet in 2025, people still don’t get it and will act surprised as to why Farage’s Reform (formally the brexit Party) has a ton of vote share in polls.
I think in very simple terms, whether you agree or not, the electoral map of this country leans towards supporting a socially right wing policy. Brits tend to favour the nationalist view of government over the globalist federalism in which sovereignty is eroded, that’s in large part due to our history of defying continental oppression
I don’t really understand what you mean by this. A vote is a vote.
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Not all votes are the same.
The Brexit vote has more legitimacy to it due to the high voter turnout (more so than GEs) and offered a direct yes or no choice in the form of a referredum to the electorate. That makes the expression of democratic will more legitimate in my view.
Nah. Thats not how democracy works.
You’re asked a question and those who cast a vote decide the answer. The outcome carries the same amount of legitimacy no matter what.
Some votes can be more meaningful in outcome (local v general election) of course, but not in terms of legitimacy.
We have referenduma here regularly. Some matter a lot such as divorce or abortion and some are fucking pointless such as lowering the age you’re eligible to run for president. But one wasn’t more legitimate than the other.
Is it because if it were an election pledge in a manifesto it could be ignored, as so many pledges are, or it could get swallowed up in debate by MPs who care more about their own feelings/views than the views of their constituents and would get voted down?
Peter Hitchens hates referenda because he believes in the supremacy of Parliament. He wanted to leave the EU with the caveat of access to the single market but refused to vote in the in/out referendum.
He said part of the reason is because as soon as we voted leave Cameron resigned and then no-one was responsible for carrying it out - whereas if leaving the EU was part of the manifesto, put in there by the leader, then the leader would have to be the one to carry it out or why else put it in there and a plan would have to have been put into place beforehand. But Cameron didn’t believe there was a chance in hell leave would win out, so no prep was made.
Definitely gets too little.
Cameron and his mate Osbourne was truly awful. Electorally benefitted greatly from the collapse of New Labour then later on the Lib Dems.
With Austerity the name of the game they pursued domestic policies which wrecked the social fabric of the UK. The divide between the poor and the well off became very clear as the use of food banks (as an example) skyrocketed. Set the Tory standard that you can whip up a voter frenzy over reducing immigration and not have to follow through with your promise (Another Tory standard) which stoked even more mistrust in the establishment
He set the stage that even made Brexit even possible, a referendum he thought he could win handily and put the right wing elements in his party (and UKIP) in their place. Because logically Brexit shouldn’t have won. But the UK really wasn’t in good shape then.
To top it all off, once his gamble failed he abandoned the UK. Leaving a power vacuum at a time when stability was needed the most. That’s some leadership!
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And then, like so many, was allowed to fail upwards into a place in the Lords with a fancy title and then be brought back in from the cold to become Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron under Sunak.
Oxbridge looks after Oxbridge.
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