Thanks for that. I am aware of the history and the Russian aggression that’s gone with it. It’s insulting to defend Russia’s actions as you have done. Russian state media has obviously done a good job on you.
Sorry to break this to you but this is about Russian aggression and Putin’s desire to expand Russia’s borders, nothing else. Putin can try and justify his illegal war however he wants but most people can see through this.
It’s also wrong to suggest as you went on to do that Ukrainian people don’t want to defend Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine and in response Ukraine is a country fighting for their future and for their sovereignty and I’m proud that the UK is supporting them. The whole of Europe need to do more to help turn this war and defeat Russia. Sanctions against Russia need to continue for decades and once Ukraine have retaken all their territory, they need to be welcomed as a NATO member.
Let me guess. You have “opened your eyes” because you’ve rabbit holed every conspiracy theory there is on the internet. You’ve spent countless of hours (days in total) “educating” yourself with “facts” from self proclaimed “experts” from the Internet University. Which means spending time on echo chamber forums that trigger your brains reward system.
You must ask yourself, who are these experts? Why aren’t they the people in charge? Why do you consider Jeff, a 45-year old divorced welder from Reading, the world’s foremost pharmacology expert? Wait, he’s an expert in geopolitics too? Great!
Time spent reading conspiracy theories, disinformation and lies does not equal knowledge.
Nation states act in their own best interest. International law means zilch when might makes right. As the USA has many times over proven to be the case when they illegally invaded Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and have supported annd propped up countless of coups across the world.
And Israel is proving it right now. Flattening Gaza into a parking lot.
Yes, it doesn’t make it right Russia invaded Ukraine. But to say it’s without a reason, is also false.
The Minsk agreements were there for a reason and Ukraine / the West decided not to adhere to them. Russia as a geopolitical entity stated, Ukraine should remain in its sphere of influence - there are proper historical ties for this. Eastern Ukraine especially has many ethnic Russians. And guess what this is the region they have invaded and under control.
The U.S. fomented unrest in 2014 and before that and in 2014 actively supported a coup in Ukraine. This is a fact. Easily verifiable. McCain was amongst the protesters (who by all means consisted out of many nazis and Bandera supporters).
All of this is a culmination of also Western interference and agitation. To deny this means you’re unaware of it and unedecuated or simply dishonest about what lead to all of this.
Unlike US interference across 10000s of miles around the world, Ukraine actually borders Russia.
Your view to me seems to be very US centric and completely devoid of many facets that lead up to this conflict.
I urge you and anyone else so adamant in continuing this war, to join the foreign legion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They will need your participation in flesh and blood because soon Ukraine won’t have any men left anymore.
Actually I always maintained: all media from every nation serves an agenda. Every media outlet be it The NYT or RT lies and peddles.
Ocke lectures another poster for hypothetically following a guy’s opinion from Reading.
So I say I am half Ukrainian and half Polish. I read and speak Russian, Polish, English, Dutch and lesser extent French.
My take on this war is different from Ocke’s, but he will dismiss it. Despite me coming from that region and having a reasonable knowledge of that region and its tensions.
So I sarcastically state, he rather believes the media he reads
P.s. as for the Covid stuff. Look at us, still being alive
Ah, the forums know it all You always have family in all the regions of the world. Or you have a cousin who knows about everything first hand. Or your uncles sister-in-laws former roommate has some good info. There’s not a place or thing being discussed here you know nothing about And if there is, give it 5 minutes and your second cousin was born there - making you the expert That’s always the first sign of a bs post.
And you still think I believe all mainstream media You aren’t that bright.
Sorry for attacking your friend. But now you’ve got someone to engage with
No, I consistently tell you where I am from and have family. You can search the forum and find out it’s always the same place.
I am not active in the General Election thread about the UK elections because I don’t know much about it and I am not from any UK part.
You write a lot of bla bla with no footing in reality. But tell me more how a Swede like yourself knows more about Ukraine and Russia than someone who has roots there and family still living in those regions, including Ukraine.
Basically, you talk utter bollocks. Quelle surprise.
I would I like to see what part of what I wrote is bullshit. Happily I’d be called out for it. I will be waiting.
I suggest you and the others in here harping on about fighting and prolonging this war, apply to the foreign legion of the armed forces of Ukraine. They will appreciate your active participation instead of digital: https://ildu.com.ua/
Wow that did trigger you. But that’s right, what the fuck does anyone else know about the world? You are probably the only one with family roots and friends from that area? Are you this dumb or are you just trolling?
As I said earlier in response to another post, I am fully aware of the history here. Just to be clear I didn’t say there was no reason for Russia’s invasion, I instead said there is no justification for it. There is a big difference.
We can debate the interpretation of the Minsk agreements, but that doesn’t really get us anywhere now. Russia’s intentions, but their very actions, is not limited to the east of the country, they want the whole of Ukraine. This is all about Russia expanding its borders and relying on what it perceives to be a fractured ‘West’ and NATO, that will not stand in its way.
There may come a time, in the not too distant future, where Europe is at war with Russia if Ukraine falls, because I don’t think Russia will stop there. I would have no issue to step up and defend my country and our freedoms, just like the people of Ukraine are currently doing. I can also honestly say, I have given donations to Ukraine’s cause which has hopefully helped in a small way.
That’s fair enough. I’d argue, from their geopolitical perspective there is a justification for it.
From a purely rule based world order where everyone would adhere to the rules. There is no justification for it, I’d agree.
Since this rules based world order seems to have failed and might makes right, does Willy nilly what they want. It becomes a void argument from a geopolitical power perspective.
Russia will be unable to fight all of NATO, so I am not worried at all that they would ever go beyond Ukraine.
Would you believe it, if I said I donated humanitarian aid to Ukraine in the first months of this war?
I don’ think they would start with any of the larger countries but would try their luck with somewhere like Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania on the basis that they would be betting against Europe trying to stand in their way.
And yes I absolutely would…and doesn’t surprise me at all either
I would assume, Russia would be too afraid of the risk of NATO actually adhering to its own protocols and therefore triggering war with all of NATO to make such a stupid move as attacking one of the Baltic states.
I certainly hope NATO would actually come to the Baltics aid in such a situation and do what it was founded for.
You always have family in all the regions of the world. Or you have a cousin who knows about everything first hand. Or your uncles sister-in-laws former roommate has some good info. There’s not a place or thing being discussed here you know nothing about 
You aren’t that bright.
