Also, on a side note, I fucking hate this current of retroactively inserting themes that are not actually a part of a piece of work, thatâs where robot fashionable woke SJW bots really can fuck right off.
Like, making Heathcliffe black (Andrea Arnold). And then you get a bunch of cunts making a case for it being that way based on cherry picked passages from the book, ignoring that it is directly contradicted in numerous parts. Fuck that shit. Wuthering Heights is a fine novel as it is without inserting themes Emily Bronte did not intend, if you want to do alternate histories like once upon a time in Hollywood or a million other stories that fall under that current fine, but disingenuously getting a bunch of people to actually believe those themes were in another piece of work is nasty stuff, that has a very nasty history itself going back to fascism.
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Well now you do know it, so enjoy feeling embarrassed.
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Good point, gonna go have an embarrassment wank right now 
If thereâs any other kind, Iâm yet to hear of it, me auld son
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On reflection this is my biggest gripe with your post.
Found it to be deathly dull.
Though to be fair, being a teenager and having to spend hours in class taking turns to read passages aloud to ensure other students actually read the fucking thing is a sure fire way to make you hate even the best of books.
Itâs not lost on me that the majority of people with concerns on this stuff are women, and most people calling those women bigots, are men.
Itâs a sensitive issue, but cancelling people put of nowhere for the kind of thing JK Rowling said (which was nothing bad at all) is not the way forward.
She is a clown for many other things, in my view. But I canât see anything wrong with what she said in those tweets.
The way many of these dickheads smeared women like Sharon Davies, Kelly Holmes and Martina (incidentally, these are heroes of many many young girls being abused by men after speaking out) about the sporting issues as well was a disgrace.
Iâm sorry, but if youâre born a male you have an intrinsic advantage over those born females in terms of muscle mass, strength and speed.
Thatâs just a fact:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/
I donât know why we are having these dumb arguments over facts that arenât constructive at all, trying to pretend things that are true are false to appease some morons, instead of finding the best way to integrate intersex and transgender people into society in a way that makes their lives as happy as possible.
Because a great many transgender people donât even believe the pish that XY = female. But it seems a lot of men like Owen Jones and Daniel Radcliffe do.
I wonder why. Maybe itâs because cancelling random people is easier than working for actual change, when it comes to gaining those valuable âprogressiveâ credentials.
I guess the same reason why itâs easier to put up a black tile and some random podcast recommendation on your Instagram, than it is to email your MP about windrush deportations or to donate some money to black community organisations.
Btw this is in no way an attack on you or your post sham, but just a general commentary on many âactivistsâ I see online.
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For sure man. The science is the science and unless some radical new evidence emerges itâs extremely unlikely to change.
And for that reason the science doesnât massively interest me and no more than a flat earther I can just think the views being expressed are incorrect and move along.
I therefore donât understand why women feel their existence is essentially threatened.
One thing I will just pick up on the post, a unisex changing room is not a trans issue as such and I did say the area of prisons is something that needs to be managed with a lot of care.
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It threatens the lived experiences of women athletes who have to compete against people with XY chromosones in womenâs events.
It also threatens the lived experience of people who want freedom of speech. Why are the general populace forced into the narrative that someone with XY chromosones is a female, if they donât believe thatâs scientifically possible?
You canât have an open discussion about whether trans people or even impressionable trans children are in fact the gender they want to be or the gender their chromosones ascribes them to. The castrating a male, even a male below the age of conscent, in order for him to supposedly become a female could cause him great regret in later life because itâs considered transphobic.
And Iâm not saying any of this because I donât want to be intolerant of any trans person or say anything unplesant to degrade them because I certainly donât. Iâd probably concede their chosen gender to be social. However I just donât believe they are a different gender from their genitically ascribed chromosones scientifically.
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How?
Whatâs your Q?
Its weird, cos it looks like thatâs exactly what people are doing, right here.
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Here perhaps, if itâs a public open discussion youâre labelled âtransphobicâ and âcancelledâ
What does it mean if someone labels you cancelled? Beyond it meaning that the people who call you that donât like you? What are the consequences? It seems like people exercising their free speech in saying that they think your opinion is bullshit.
Reality is, youâre free to discuss the topic as much as you want, I donât see this great persecution youâre claiming for yourself in this discussion. Say what you want, if people say youâre transphobic or cancelled in response, so what? Thatâs their opinion, just like you have yours.
How are peoples lived experiences being threatened.
How does someone saying the concept of men and women isnât real actually threaten anything. Even a little bit.
Eh, lets not pass a blind eye over the mob mentality of these people. Yes the trans community and its SJW group of hanger ons isnât that threatening because thereâs simply not that much of them, but many people have suffered the consequences from SJW tendentious logic and mob mentality. A great shifting of consciousness obviously has huge implicationsâor else it wouldnât have made such a big difference for the gay community or the black community wouldnât be trying so hard to always achieve itâand if theyâre not obvious from how many people have lost their jobs or had their careers ruined you can just look at the degenerating forms of expression in public spheres. Thereâs less and less you can say and people, especially public people, are extremely afraid of saying the wrong thing. âTyrannicalâ might even be the word Iâd use if I were of a literary bent.
So yeah, communication and language is important. People impinging on that is important, even if you can isolate it in the micro and say it doesnât matter, on the macro it does.
Feels to me you two are just passing a selective blind eye over things that, if they happened to align with another agenda or ideology, you would attack vehemently.
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All Iâve done here is question how peoples lived experiences are being erased/devalued. Anyone is free to explain that to me. I havenât said that trying to cancel JK or anyone else over holding the view that she does is a fair or just thing.
Iâve also tried to provide a bit of balance to this line of thought that the Trans community are this homogeneous group who all think this about gender and want to force their beliefs on others. There is undeniably that element in the community but for the most part Trans people are just like the rest of us in wanting to get on with their lives as quietly as possible.
Yeah, I mean, I was just explaining why arsenescoatmaker is right to say that itâs an impingement on free speech and does threaten lived experiences in that way.
Thatâs what my post is about really.
Her initial comment Iâve seen today was an objection to an article that said something about âpeople who menstruateâ to which she said, we used to have a word for that, ironically.
I totally agree with that objection, it is ridiculous to continue devolving language so much that words hardly mean anything anymore unless they carry an asterisk or a parenthesis or are stated in a completely ineloquent and roundabout way, and the ones that actually mean something offend people.
I can understand how a women wouldnât be comfortable with being considered the same thing as a man who transitioned into a woman. Because theyâre not. Physiologically and psychologically there are major differences. Thatâs probably what sheâs talking about when she writes about female experience and feels it being threatened. Authors, psychologists, intellectuals are very interested in things like identity and how our sex, physiology, psychology etc. shapes experience, for someone to come in with a big old stupid brush and say that itâs wrong to differentiate born women from born men transitioned into women, well, I can see why that is objectionable to someone, especially an author.
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My experience is my experience, yours is yours, hers is hers. People are free to say whatever they want and it doesnât change that.
Sheâs not less of a woman because someone chose to use that (honestly ridiculous) term and if she feels like one Iâd like her to explain how in far more detail than she has done.
How do you feel as a man knowing that the same is considered (by some) of trans men? Gotta be honest, canât say I have ever thought about it.
I havenât either, but then Iâm not a public figure being scolded for my public stances. I certainly back her objection to that article, though, and her comments, without knowing the rest of the history.
And yeah, I certainly donât like any group that in any anti-scientific/intellectual way is trying to blur lines and brainwash us for their benefit, or change our languages in non-sensical ways. So if I were a public figure I could certainly see myself using that platform to speak out against it.
Some of the terrible arguments that have come out of pop feminism is another whole can of worms, and Iâm sure JK Rowling supports some of those, and thereâs some of it behind her outspokenness on this topic, but as Iâve generally got very extremely low interest on JK Rowlingâs opinions I just limit to what Iâve read in this topic, and re-assert my feeling that she is quite right in these comments at least.
I can also say if I were a professor like Jordan Peterson I certainly would not use compelled speech. Itâs worse of course in languages like my own or French where gender is very much built in and these fanatics are looking for a complete revamping of the language, but as a rule I am not for the de-evolution of language so if I were in some kind of teaching or public profession like a professor I would certainly take a stand on that as well.