Have to love how you can essentially lie with impunity in the Commons but you can get kicked out for telling the truth 
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That is true but like is said there is a way to call him a liar without calling him a liar. Because she is the opposition her calling him a liar is subjective. If she gave objective undeniable facts and kept to the rules of the house then there is nothing wrong. Calling someone a liar without pointing out the lies is childish in my opinion and a mp should know better. What made this situation worse was that she said she was standing up to power. Thatās stupid because she is not an activist she is a mp that is on the opposition bench. Her job is to keep a check on those in power and scrutinize them not calling liars based on no established facts
Just had a year of lies over PPE contracts as established facts.
The rules are in the mud mate. Credibility in the house has gone.
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Exactly.
She knew what she was doing and knew she would get kicked out but, like all self serving politicians, she also knew that it would get her name in the headlines.
Everyone knows Johnson is a serial liar, including his own party , so we donāt need to hear it from some back bench, attention seeker who should be working for her constituents rather than massaging her own ego.
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Well yeah, you canāt not agree that it was a rule breach and she should have been removed.
But itās pathetic to not have a stance on it for several days. Probably had to wait for 3 focus groups of red wall voters and Peter Mandelsonās sign off first.
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Lmao I never knew that part. Damn the guy is a nothing leader
Itās tactical and itās the correct move at this stage, imo
Closer is to a GE is the best time to sharpen your perception and set clear policy in order to create contrast.
The whole dynamic is skewed, the priorities and concerns of Butler moving forward is not the same as Starmer, She can engage in silly stunts with zero electoral consequence, KS has to tread lightly
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Out of interest, why is waiting several days before commenting the correct move in your opinion?
Love how itās a stunt to call a proven liar, a liar.
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Itās a similar tactic Tories use never commenting damaging stories in the moment and waiting days weeks for other stories to come to the forefront before quietly confirming facts no one now cares about.
Waiting allows you to better assess reactions, allow people to calm down and refine your own position with a longer view in mind. Commenting in the heat of the moment has very little value/impact for Starmer with the people who will actually matter tbh
@Jules Itās a stunt when someone who has been an MP for a very long time knowingly breaks the rules/procedure and subsequently milks the reaction? She can call BJ a lair all she wanted in media she knew saying it in the commons would produce an adverse reaction so she can play martyr.
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I support her and I wish more would do the same.
But Starmer didnāt confirm any facts, did he? It sounds like he just gave his opinion on her statement and her ejection from the House. I think thereās a difference between a government quietly and belatedly announcing inconvenient facts about something to minimise the attention it gets and the LOTO offering an opinion on something. And if nobody now cares cos the story has been superseded by other stories, then whatās the point in commenting at all and dredging back up an issue people no longer care about?
Personally, his statement is pretty milquetoast, and I canāt imagine heād have said anything different had he commented on it any sooner. I donāt think heād have said much different in the heat of the moment. But I do feel a statement on the matter would mean more coming hot on the heels of the event when people are interested, rather than coming later at a point when you say other stories will now be the talking point.
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Fair enough, My general thought process on Starmerās leadership is that actions and positions outside of the 12 month period before a GE, should be minimised unless you know the contrast will be important to highlight in 2024.
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Yeah, fair, you have been saying that quite consistently now, itās quite a realpolitik way of looking at it (I donāt mean that negatively)
I donāt actually care about what he said on this topic, as I donāt really care about this issue, it isnāt important lol. I obviously agree with what she said about Johnson, but I donāt care about her being kicked out tbh she was grandstanding and was perfectly happy being ejected.
I think thereās some sense in keeping the powder dry til the next election is more imminent, but you need to find the right balance and still do a decent job of opposing the government in the meantime, and I think heās gone too far one way.
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I would wish they opposed something rather than just grandstand 
. And they wonder why they lose to Boris
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Someone change Chrisā WiFi password, for his own good. Just take the L mate 
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Amazing.
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Fucking awful representation of a party thatās supposed to support disadvantaged.
Loach films and interviews as a man do more to highlight social issues than anything this party can or would.
Spineless coward Starmer. PMQ soundbite artist. 20 minute a week performer. Fucking establishment appeaser.
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You gonna do something then pal?
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