The Labour Party

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People of the west need to realise Israel is their enemy.

If there is an Iraqi refugees in London it is because of Netenyahu.

If there is a Palestinian or labanese here it is because of Israel.

If now there is a Syrian it is because of them.

Europe needs to wake up.

Rein those fuckers in or you will have wave upon wave of refugee.

I dunno, I think we probably have to take a teeny, tiny smidgen of responsibility for the existence of Iraqi refugees lol. That one might not be entirely on Benji

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The way that fucker was agitating US neocons to start a war then was what set it all off.

Pretty sure it happens regardless of his advocacy

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I have a lot of time for your opinions but I’m not having that. The Bush administration was itching for that war as soon as the Taliban fell. And our government couldn’t wait to follow them.

I’m not sure the Israeli government’s glee was any kind of factor in the decision making.

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Maybe you guys are right.

I remember reading he had been agitating for the US to attack Iraq even in the 90s but I can’t find it now.

He was definitely an agitator and the US would have went for someone after 9/11 for sure.

He is involved.

I actually saw a short the other day which had him saying ā€œif you/we invade Iraq and depose Hussein it will bring stabilityā€ (not a direct quote, paraphrased, I’llsee if I can find it)

So you definitely aren’t wrong to say he did that. I just disagreed about how consequential it was.

Edit: @Electrifying my words were slightly off, but I don’t think I misrepresented the spirit of it. Looks like that might have been in 1999 from a timestamp that appear as he speaks.

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I find the reactions to the recent election results very interesting but they are not an indicator of how people would vote in a General Election in 2029. Local Elections in particular are, unfortunately, used as a protest against the sitting Government rather than on the way in which the local Council has been run.

What do the results tell us? People are unhappy? Yes of course…but interestingly the Conservatives done far worse than Labour. The rise of Reform is clear, but they still don’t have a credible platform to stand on, and until they do, they will simply be a party people vote for to ā€˜protest’ against the established parties.

If you observe what Labour are doing, in a number of areas, it is clear they have a long term plan and are going to stick to it. This carries the obvious risk that at the end of the term, the change people want, will not be delivered. The most obvious risk, is with the economy. But if Labour deliver not only what they said they would do in their manifesto, but improve people’s living standards overall, there isn’t going to be the type of shift you are suggesting.

As someone who has an interest in voting behaviour, I am going to stick my neck out and say that not only will Starmer lead Labour into the next General Election, but he will also win the General Election.

Bit too interested for some people’s tastes :white:

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Well someone needs to be objective in their commentary when it comes to politics, rather than simply resorting to personal opinion and bias.

Who is this person you’re describing?

Perhaps you can enlighten us? Because that plan seems to change a lot depending on where the wind blows.

I’ll get my compass.

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Ah! A rhetorical question…I think you know who!

The economy, infrastructure, housing, the NHS, transport (particularly rail), Local Government…to name the ones off the top of my head…

So you don’t know then.

I have just named you 6 policy areas where Labour have a long term plan!

All policy areas in which Labour would immediately U Turn if there was even the slightest PR reason to. If they had a direction to start with.

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Absolutely no basis to your argument. The Government, rightly or wrongly, have set their stall out in each of these six areas - no suggestion whatsoever that they will deviate from their plans. If you are going to try to debate some of these points at least come back with some substantive comments and views.

There’s ā€œno suggestionā€ they will deviate from their plans until there’s a reason to fold, as Starmer has done on any issue he likes throughout his career. And there’s plenty of substance to the charge that in his career he flaccidly flops in whatever direction the wind is blowing.

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