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Banter.
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If they do end up keeping this ban in place, donât forget that they said in their manifesto that theyâd follow the findings of the Cass Report, which did not recommend keeping a blanket ban in place.
It will be disappointing if they fall for a completely media/politically manufactured problem.
However, thereâs every chance this is one of a few proposals thatâll get kicked down the road. Hopefully.
A stunning expose of the former Governmentâs spending proposals on the Rwanda scheme from the new Home Secretary today.
Joe, is that you? 
Iâm in complete support of a blanket ban. I canât think of a single reason that anybody should be given puberty blockers
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The point I was making was with regards to what Labour promised to do in their manifesto versus what they are now reported to be about to do, not whether I or anyone else personally agree with the use of puberty blockers.
I know I just felt inclined to put my view out there for no reason other than that it was out there lol
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Well thatâs obviously fair enough haha.
I wonât claim to have any sort of position, I just donât know enough about them. When theyâre precribed, what the assessment process before theyâre prescribed looks like, their benefots and harms etc - itâs something Iâm quite ignorant about, and frankly, Iâm not going to invest the time necessary to get fully informed lol.
Only so much time in the day, if I was gonna take a really deep dive on a political issue in order to get better informed itâd probably be to look at something related to the economy/taxes, or the NHS as a whole, something that I think is a bigger and more important issue.
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Well they are drugs usually used to treat prostate cancer.
And apparently used to be used to chemically castrate sexual deviants like paedophiles to stop them having urges to nonce children.
There was a review of the evidence done so far by NICE, the medical guideline organisation for the UK which concluded these medications made no difference on mental health outcomes and did not reduce the rate of suicide. I will link.
Now this is not the case review which found similar conclusions so far.
The evidence is very poor.
This is a very politically charged area. There is lots of bias.
Itâs very tricky.
So you have something with severe side effects with no real evidence of good benefit.
However I would say giving these meds to children may come with many severe side effects and should not be done unless in a supervised clinical trial environment which is basically what Cass said.
However she gets labelled a huge transphobe and discredited by bad actors. But then they would call people like me bad actors.
This is a potential huge moneymaking industry so I understand.
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Two Child Benefit Cap amendment defeated. Several Labour MPâs that voted against the government suspended.
So it begins I guess.
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I thought they were going to reverse this anyways?
Why whip people to vote this down?
You mean the reports they were considering scrapping it? (If I recall, the words used were very circumstantial and not really a guarantee)
Dunno, guess you can pin it down as another U-Turn
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I think the Labour Party are going to struggle with issues like this, particularly with such a big majority. The mantra, whether right or wrong, is clear that it is all about the economy and showing economic competence. Fully expect that if the economy starts to improve, and they have the ability to do so, this will be the first thing they will seek to address. I donât have children, so makes no difference to me personally, but fully support the removal of the two child benefit cap, which is simply unfair.
What are your thoughts on the UC two child benefit cap?
Why is it?
Whatâs unfair is constantly asking the government to fund decisions made by parents.
Very few will fall into a bracket where the third child came along in circumstances outside of the parents control AND the parents are too poor to afford it.
Be better off keeping it and finding a new solution for those already struggling, rather than encourage fresh dependencies by lifting the cap.
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This attitude towards white people having kids is exactly why you will continue to get immigrants and learn to like it I guess.
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(Hope I donât bore with my rambling and I wonât get too detailed)
I think it should be scrapped, but we should be clear this is just part of the abysmal policy of Universal Credit as a whole where everything is means-tested to an aggressive degree to deter genuine people from seeking support. The whole thing goes hand in hand.
Not only it is harmful to the poor, itâs absolutely ripe for fraud. So the UK taxpayer ainât being saved squat. Itâs an fail of a welfare system. I wonât speak on specifics but I know two ways which you can get more benefits by essentially lying. Being honest about your circumstances is probably the worst thing you can do. Itâs completely backwards.
Thatâs just regular people, I havenât touched on if you have a disabled person that needs support and their âassessmentsâ but that one can be a topic for another time.
While I support scrapping it, I should be transparent this amendment is whatever. I was disappointed Labour wasnât scrapping UC entirely (as originally promised) and replacing it something less trash. It doesnât work. The only thing it does its satisfy the perception (Lie) that the country is tough on this issue.
Btw, this isnât completely related (and not at you obviously) but I think itâs also funny for nations with low birth rates (self-fulfilling prophecy that makes countries need too many immigrants) to punish people for having too many kids. Fucking lol, what is âtoo manyâ when you donât have enough right now that primary schools are closing and merging? Why are kids even viewed as a hindrance like that? One thing traditional societies get right is having kids arenât viewed as a negative.
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If thatâs in response to me I find it terribly odd.
Controlled immigration is a net positive for most economies (all the while there are strong and weak economies anyway). Donât really know why this was brought up nor the âwhiteâ comment.
What benefit is there of big Dave and Susan pumping out 5 kids they canât really afford, the government then pays for and you have to hope these kids somehow forge their way out of a poor situation to make a positive contribution to the UK going forward.
IMO capping the credits at 2 is a good balance. Allows people to get some support to enable them to have kids at a healthy age but provides an additional balance before people think about going for 3 and 4 unless they can afford it.
Iâm actually glad theyâre talking about not making âunfunded promisesâ, if this country can afford benefits for 10 children per family then great, but sorry to tell you it canât.
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If working class people started having less kids because the support isnât there, you could start a ferry service on the river of tears from the Mail and the Express.
It was a reply to your post but I donât know your position on immigration so it wasnât a gotcha or anything.
But the tories that voted against this, it exposes their hypocrisy and why they lost the election and why I hope they are wiped out for a generation