The Hip-Hop Thread

The man simply does not miss :fire:

But for real, top three diss tracks of all time, this time in order:

  1. Ice Cube - No Vaseline
  2. Nas - Ether
  3. Tupac - Hit em Up

Most underrated diss track of all time:

Canibus - 2nd Round Knockout. Bodied LL Cool J imo, but was seen to have lost the battle, imo because he simply had far less clout.

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  1. Ether–Takeover was wack but the Blueprint album > Stillmatic, although that was also a good album

  2. Fuck wit Dre Day–underrated dis and video with the Eazy-E lookalike

  3. The Bitch in Yoo–people who thought Common was soft learned a good lesson

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I feel the consensus is that Canibus won. Also I’d consider this track to be pretty well-known and regarded in terms of diss tracks lol

Nas is my favourite rapper of all time but Takeover is underrated and Ether is overrated. Jay actually makes some good disses in Takeover like about banging Nas ex wife and that Nas made a hot like but Jay made it into a hot song.

Ether sounds hardcore but it’s mostly just Nas saying mean stuff to Jay-Z like that he’s ugly etc.

Nas has another song on his album God’s Son that addresses the beef and takes a few shots at Jay and I actually prefer it to Ether personally, even if it’s not explicitly a dis track.

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My understanding was that at the time Canibus was seen to have lost the battle, I know that in retrospect there are more people like us who reflect on the tracks and give Canibus his dues. But I was talking about the immediate reaction and how things played out at the time. But I think this is based on the Beef documentary and some other things I’ve seen or read. I can’t speak on that from personal memory as I wasn’t in any respect aeare of the beef at the time it actually happened.

I didn’t comment on whether Canibus’ diss track was well known, I said that I feel it is underrated. The two are not mutually exclusive. It can also be well regarded by some, even many, but by and large not hugely appreciated or known by the mainstream. When I’ve had discussions about diss tracks (granted, that’s not happened much since school or college days) it’s not one that was ever brought up alongside those by Pac, Nas, Jay etc.

But maybe you are right and everything I said is rubbish lol, I’m no expert and this is based on my perceptions and fading memories of things I’ve seen, heard or discussed a long time ago.

That wasn’t overly clear from your post but yes I’d agree more in respect to the rough time this was taking place.

Like you, I wasn’t really aware at the time and was probably too young/didn’t really have access to this music at the actual time but have obviously since delved into it all. It does seem as though LL was viewed as the winner due to clout but that people now sort of accept that perhaps Canibus produced the better material, which I agree with.

I didn’t say that you said it wasn’t well-known or that it can’t be underrated, I was just pointing out that the song is quite well-known in terms of diss tracks. I feel the Canibus v LL stuff was relatively high-profile although obviously not in the Tupac v Biggie/everyone else or Nas v Jay Z bracket but still a pretty classic beef. Whether it’s under or over rated is really a matter of opinion so I won’t argue on that point.

Anyway, more generally on the LL v Canibus stuff, if you get a chance, you should listen to 4, 3, 2, 1 by LL, it actually features Canibus but apparently LL wrote his verse after hearing Canibus’ verse on the song. From memory, I feel like this was a bit of a precursor to their beef.

Personally I’m a big fan of Canibus, although sometimes his material favours complexity over musical appeal. Another interesting thing is one of his albums he recorded without instrumentals and then sent them to his producer who added them in afterwards. I think the album is called Rip the Jacker. Apparently he only heard the final tracks after buying a copy of the album lol

RIP takeoff

Wtf is happening

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Rappers are getting killed weekly now.

The price of life is so low in America. Dying over a game. R. I.P. Takeoff.

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Shakur Stevenson was standing right next to Takeoff when it happened

WOW! Didn’t know that.

Nas’ King’s Disease 3

:fire: :fire: :fire:

The word classic is over used…this is a timeless classic.

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Some year eh?

I’m gonna have to say…

  1. Gangstarr - Moment of Truth
  2. Outkast - Aquemini
  3. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

DMX, Big Pun: please forgive my disrespect :pray:

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Will always see 93-98 as the golden era and I was born in 86.

From the ten albums above, I listen to Harlem World, Miseducation and Aquemini the most now so personally they’ve stood the test if time.

Pun, DMX and Gang Starr ā€˜98 albums still get heavily rotated today.

Listen to Intro - DMX almost everyday too

GRODT 20 years old today. My joint favourite album of all time.

Where tf has the time gone??!!

It feels like yesterday and 20 year old albums are still like Run DMC LL Cool J

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This year marks the 30th anniversary on Wu Tang’s ā€˜36 Chambers’. My God I feel old even if I didn’t listen to the album until 1999.

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It’s probably months old and I’m last to the party but the BBC series on Hip-Hop is very good, helped me fill in some gaps in the collection.

As if I didn’t feel old enough. Thanks.

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