That’s the point though. If we beat them twice by bossing them then other teams could of, like the some of the teams who beat us
You go to Southampton Boxing day top of the League and get spanked 4 0 your a bottling bunch of cunts.
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West Bromley Norwich and the 4 0 against Southampton.
Jesus, can’t believe our dms were Coq and Flamini. Joel Campbell was a genuine starter because everyone else was dead. Such a thin fragile choker squad
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@JakeyBoy have some stern words here
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That’s all fair mate. We don’t know if the Cech window was Wenger or the board. I’m not black or white on Wenger. I prefer levels of grey. I think he got complacent and too loyal to players that were beneath our level towards the last decade. That doesn’t mean I condone posters completely disrespecting everything he did for the club. I do think that’s totally disgusting personally.
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We didn’t.
They bossed us at the Haemorrhoids.
Should have had a second penalty to make it 0-2. Game over at that point.
Ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahah
Yeah exactly, that is why I am still here 15 years (or how many after the last title) later. I could have left this sinking ship years ago, but here I am arguing with you and 8 year old Spanky and his friends.
You see, another nonsense assertion that doesn’t compute with logic at all.
We could have fucked off years ago, yet here we are suffering Arteta’s reign.
Wenger stayed past his expiry date. SRCJJ made a beautiful post about it. That is all there is to it.
The rest is Wengerites being stubborn and childish as fuck. And completely in the mud.
Arsenal > Wenger.
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I’ll have some stern words with your mum
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The first penalty was a classic Vardy now Saka esque penalty. Touch the ball run the opposite way into someone
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Yep. A thing of beauty.
Even VAR woulda given it
You could of fucked off but like it or not you supported Arsenal and stuck by Arsenal because of Wenger. That’s why you’re an Arsenal fan, because of Wenger, you simply wouldn’t be here otherwise. He brought a culture you loved and then you got angry because the level of success wasn’t consistent. But that’s not all down to Wenger
As for SRCJJ making some post about it. He’s the poster who stated he started supporting Arsenal because of the invinsibles.
The nuance you lot ignore is that after the stadium build we became a selling club. You all ignore we became a selling club as if it didn’t matter to the managers chances
As for Arsenal>Wenger, well that’s fine, but it doesn’t mean you should shit on our greatest ever manager. I find that disgusting. Wake me up when a manager wins the amount of trophies Wenger won for us. I can’t see it happening in the next century.
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This is the perfect way of summarizing my view of him also, I think levels of grey are required when analyzing Wenger in totality. I’m frankly sympathetic to both sides of the Wenger argument in some ways because I’m one of those foreign fans you referenced in a previous post who fell in love with the club in part due to what he built and how we played. At the same time, I do get annoyed when it is portrayed by some fans at times as if Wenger founded Arsenal completely and that nothing came before, which is of course absolute nonsense. There were 10 league titles in the trophy cabinet before his reign and that’s still more than all of our other rivals except two. A level of balance is required in my opinion when discussing Wenger in relation to the rest of Arsenal’s history.
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Fucking hell gonna need some water for that burn
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Still laughing here
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Mate, there’s many English clubs that can be considered GREAT. By the time Wenger came to us in terms of the 80s-90s Pre-Wenger Everton matched us for League Titles, FA Cups, Cup Winners Cups. They were a huge club
After that they won very little despite being a huge club at the time. The fact in the last 25 years we could of won very little despite the stature of the club. We seriously could be Everton level without Wenger.
So no Wenger didn’t found us. But without Wenger we could be in the position of not being a top 4 club over the last 2 decades. The last 25 years being what founded our financial security. There wasn’t a top 4 of top 6 before the Champions League. Anyone could win the league and it was a level playing field
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Yeah I’ve never doubted how crucial he was in that period, he was a godsend for the club in the 90s. Many of us support Arsenal now because of how he revolutionized the club so there can never be any questioning of his importance. It’s still also fair to be heavily critical of him for some of what happened in the second half of his tenure, and particularly in the final few years.
I also understand your Everton comparison completely, I think I even said in another thread yesterday that we were in danger of becoming the next Everton as we drift more now.
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What you have to bare in mind in the second period of his management is the fact we moved to a new stadium, was supposedly unsure whether we could pay the players and needed top 4 every year to sustain financial stability
All while not being able to invest in the squad. We went over a decade being a selling club where we had a negative net spend.
I think it’s a thankless task being a manager having no resources to invest in the club while the fans demand trophies. I think the fans are unreasonable given the boards stance on investment. The board clearly only asked for Top 4, Wenger delivered for a long time.
Unfortunately right now we are similar to Everton levels
Yeah I shouldn’t have said he should be criticized for the second half of his tenure, the job he did from 2006 to probably around 2013 was admirable keeping us in the top 4 in those years. The communication from the club was not quite clear at this time about everything though, there was always mixed signals about things like how much money was available and that didn’t help. I do think once our investment went up in around 2013-14, at that point he didn’t necessarily show that he could make the most of what he had but who knows how much control he actually had over it all.
Do you think we’re Everton yet though? I think in this era we’re still protected by wealth and having a wide enough level of support that we should be able to rebound and get back into the top 4 soon if we are just more sensible in the coming few seasons. That’s maybe too much to ask for with this club but I still think we can halt the decline and jump back ahead of some of these clubs above us atm.