Mesut Özil

No… :expressionless:

Genuinely want an example because I haven’t seen him not follow orders. I’ve seen him play like shit and trudge across the pitch frustrated but not follow orders? What orders is he not following?

Agree with a bit. Disagree with a bit.

Ozil certainly is in decline but I wouldn’t say finished.

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Tbh I don’t agree with that either, but that’s me exaggerating that to show I’m arguing in good faith

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Yep, and yet you will still find hoards of our fans who seemingly think he’s a god and will pull any thinkable excuse out of their arses to defend him.

It actually depresses me that someone could be held up so high on a pedestal at this great club when he doesn’t even come close to deserving it. He probably reads some of the comments about himself from our fans and laughs at how easily he’s taking people for a ride, particularly this season when he’s been a shadow of his own self.

This guy signed one of the biggest contracts in world football and proceeded to basically give up afterwards. And I don’t care about the Germany thing, this is Arsenal not Germany. If he had as much respect for our club as he’s successfully duped many of our fans into thinking he has, he would have showed us much more than he has.

Once again though, congratulations to Ivan Gazidis for absolutely fucking us with that contract offer.

I think it’s cause of the Fifa Generation cause a player has a high rating on Fifa that must mean he’s great, Also he was our first big money signing after years of cheap buys so he felt like a big deal.

For me it’s the most mind blogging thing is the Ozil lovefest from part of our fanbase. But to be fair he splits our fans down the middle, some think he’s the second coming of Bergkamp and some think he’s most overrated player to ever grace our club. I just don’t see the fuss about him, he’s never had a outright great season. He’s always half arsed it since he joined us. Never made a PFA player of the year list or PL teams of the season.

If I hear any more of these assist or pre assist stats his fanboys churn out to defend him, will drive me up the wall. He’s never impressed me since he’s been here and I find it disgraceful that some fan’s think he’s better then Bergkamp.

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It just shows that people aren’t actually watching. Yes he is a brilliant player when the game is set up nicely for him; against inferior opposition at the Emirates who sit back and give him space, he’s great and he can pick them apart with ease and wrack up the assists. The story is quite different in pretty much any other match scenario, and especially against top sides.

I saw a comment recently, I think it may have been on here, where someone was responding to the point that he doesn’t perform against the other big teams. This person’s response was effectively “What are you on about, remember that match where he and Alexis took Chelsea apart!”

That match was in 2016…I mean seriously, a supposedly world class player is now being defended by someone pointing out that he showed up in a big game three years ago. I almost fell out of my chair when I read it.

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I know he isn’t the player he was but he was my favourite player a few seasons ago and i want him to be that player again.

I think it’s because our midfield is lacking any player remotely good enough to be compared to what we have been used to up until a couple of seasons ago.

As I said earlier, this is the worst midfield I have ever seen at the club and the fact that Ozil rarely puts in performances worthy of a first team place, let alone 350k a week probably means he should move on.

The only reason we should keep him is if we can’t find a club willing to take him off us, and pay his wages and then maybe use him as a squad player.

If he wasn’t earning so much he would get an easier ride, because he isn’t our worst player, but because he is on such a high wage his poor performances are magnified.

I don’t know why you’re all giving him such a hard time. He’s a brilliant Fortnite player and he only costs 350k per week. Who else in the squad can play a PS4 as well as him!!!

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We literally gave a guy 350k to sit at home and play Fortnite any time we have an away match North of London :arteta:

We’re the fools not him :poldi:

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If it’s Fortnite, wouldn’t that be 700k? :wink:

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Don’t get me wrong he needs to go. But y’all are acting like he has never done anything here and has always been shit. Like he wasn’t instrumental in 2 FA Cup wins.

I agree that he doesn’t fit into Emery’s setup. I also agree that he’s done fuck all to try and fit in. That’s on his shoulders. But he hasn’t been useless in an Arsenal uniform.

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When has anyone on here today said he hasn’t?

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Well he was useless last week. Must have had a sore back from all his PS4 efforts

Yeah I’m still carrying a historic back injury from my PS2 days

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first paragraph: agree, second I think I would disagree. I think he does try to do the things it is just doomed to fail because it’s not the type of player he is, he cannot do it very well.

Özil is a highly specialised player everyone should know that and you all probably did even before he came here, he is not the type you move around, he’s the furthest from James Milner you could get in every aspect. Some players are more mouldable, some less, this one is well known to everyone to not be that, it’s not anybody’s fault.

We bought him to do the thing he is good at and that was a brilliant decision and he performed as expected, nothing was wrong about that. We extended his contract, also brilliant everyone would’ve whinged if we didn’t etc. Only caveat is maybe £300k is high for us, maybe £200k would’ve been better in hindsight. Then we changed to a manager who doesn’t utilise what he is specialised to do so now it is awkward. Wenger wasn’t bad, Emery isn’t bad, Özil isn’t bad.

I’m certain if you asked Emery hey boss would you like to have a highly specialised #10 in your team, one of the best in the world, at £300k/w? I’m sure he would’ve said “…I don’t eben play with a fucking #10.”

He’s a square peg in a round hole under Emery, doesn’t mean he would be somewhere else and it doesn’t mean Emery can’t get the best out of him like Wenger could, I just don’t think it is the game he plays. And as we’re limited in funds (fml…) we definitely should try him in a few other positions first of all, which we now have, and since it doesn’t really work out maybe it is best for all parts if he moves on, but again imo no one involved has done anything massively wrong here.

edit: except for Özil’s body language perhaps lol that does tick people off including me lol

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He thinks his contact makes him untouchable.

In a sense he is because no other team wants to touch him with a ten foot pole.

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I mean most players play worse against the top 6, so in 13/14 Suarez had poor numbers against the top 6. Especially when we are the weakest top 6 side. He got a goal and assist last season against top 6

If you swapped him into the City squad he’d perform better against the Top 6 with better players.

Of course everyone’s numbers against top sides are worse, but he has consistently failed to turn up in those matches and a player of his quality and reputation has to do more.

Hazard and Ozil are completely different players obviously, but as the best players they are both meant to be the talismans of their clubs. Compare Ozil’s near invisibility in the vast majority of these matches with how Hazard sometimes won them on his own against these sides in his time at Chelsea. Even look at what he did last week against us, and compare that to Ozil’s showing.

There is no way to argue that he has given us enough in his time here and that’s especially true in the past two seasons when he’s refused to even travel anytime we play in the North of England, and has collected 350k each week in this time. Quite frankly, there’s much more to be said than even the big matches, that’s just the starting point.

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It somewhat does in Football it seems… what recourse do we have? This isn’t like some sports in the US where you can cut players and the contract is done (which is why they also have “guaranteed” portions of contracts)… I just hope he has some fire in him to either step up massively next year or head off to Italy to revitalize the end of his career.

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Ppl are freaking out about this guy but I just don’t understand. Ozil is probably just as frustrated as we are about Emery’s shitty ass system. Imagine being one of the best #10’s in the world over the past decade and the manager on ur team has the offense running through SEAD FUCKING KOLASINAC lel :joy: :joy:, yeah pretty pathetic.

Ozil started being less effective last season tho, and imo there’s a good reason for that. As has been said Mesut has his weaknesses and he’s not a ball winning defensive player whatsoever. As our midfield has become more and more shit and we have less control of games, our team has had to work harder to win back possession than we used to, and yeah I agree Mesut isn’t suited for that type of match. He’s much better when we can win the ball with our midfield and get a pass and make something happen on a counter, either that or just unlocking the defense in the opposing teams final third. With such a piss poor midfield behind him he really is basically useless.

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