Go find a single post where I’ve ever mentioned half a table, form chart or expected threat of winning the league ever mattering a damn.
I’ve been adamant in my belief that Arteta needs a new squad to show what he is worth and I’m simply not seeing him get backed the way he needs to succeed. @SRCJJ mentioned earlier that he feels like Arteta is one of our most financially backed Arsenal managers and I really don’t see that at all.
What I see is him having to stick with what he has when it comes to players like Xhaka, Lacazette, Bellerin because due to our terrible wage structure they seem impossible to shift. Partey’s clause would been met even if Emery were still here.
White to me feels like the first real Arteta signing, and now of course Odegaard but lets be real, 80m is a bog standard decent transfer window for us and it will certainly take a lot more than that for Arteta or whoever may come after Arteta to drag this rag tag bunch of bozos in top 4.
This is a good deal for £30m cause nowadays players of this quality can go for close to double that. Ode is going to have to come in and fix a ton of problems in our attack though, and if we’re expecting him to do so on his own we’re kidding ourselves. This does improve us though and it will add some creativity that we’re in desperate need of.
new contract for Xhaka (which includes rejecting offers from Hertha last season and Roma this season)
Saliba and Guendouzi shifted (£30m CB investment not considered ready by Arteta who has given minutes to Mustafi, Mari, Holding during his time here) and Guendouzi despite being a bright young player (in peoples eyes, not mine) sent on loan and then sold for a nominal fee
Auba being given a mega contract (£300k a week to keep him)
Willian signing 3 year deal on big wages (£200k a week and spoke about being an Arteta target)
Extension to Luiz (Arteta valued his experience and ball playing qualities so was given an extension)
Gabriel (just under £30m for a new CB the summer after we spent £30m on a new CB)
This summer:
£110m on four players with likely arrival of Ramsdale to increase that to around £140m with minimal outgoings. Plus rumours of more CM and a RB interest still all over the place too. So we could end up spending close to £180-200m this summer on top of last summers outlay of around £82m so I’d say a manager being given as much to spend on players he actually wants is definitely indicative of him being heavily backed.
Whereas Emery got players he didn’t want. He wanted Zaha, Banega and Nzonzi and got Pepe and Torreira.
Yeah well we disagree. Mainly because we’ve seen both Wenger and Emery actually get a lot more out of these bozos than Arteta can manage, in both results and style of play actually. Plus we’ve invested a ton of money into this team. 50m for Partey, he’s got a legit striker that scored 20 plus goals both seasons he was here before Arteta arrived, that costed the club 50m. We spent about 120m in a brand new defense for him. He has a 72m winger, and he brought in his own attacking player in Willian on big wages.
We arent City brother, this is about the best he’s gonna get being at Arsenal. 8th place isn’t acceptable and there are a ton of managers all over who could do better with what he has at his disposal.
Like I say outside Partey who looked like a Raul/Edu easy snipe regardless of who is manager I just don’t Arteta being given the keys to the world there at all. Half of them either haven’t happened yet or came in under a different manager. Not to mention the likes of Xhaka and Auba feel like the club sticking with what they have because they are scared of sustainable and sensible reinvestment in those positions.
I’ll give you Willian though but as a free transfer his wages would always be upsetting. Also despite the failure I see the Willian more as a -wrongly- pragmatic move more than an ambitious one.
All in all you’ve got White, Partey, Odegard and Willian for not much more than what Wenger paid for Mustafi, Xhaka and Perez in one window years and year ago.
I understand people don’t like Arteta and I understand why they don’t like him as manager but acting like he’s failed despite astronomical investment and squad restructure is a false narrative that speaks of agenda and bias more than truth of the situation.
Nobody gets to completely make over a team in 2 or 3 windows. If you can name me a club who’ve done that for a manager besides City just spending for fun I’ll concede the point. Fact is when a manager takes a job he’s got to work with what the club have for the most part. This team has two new cbs, 2 new midfielders, a winger that were all meant to be starting xi players. Plus a bunch of squad options Arteta chose himself.
You are making excuses for him. Do you think Arsenal promised Mikel a whole new starting xi within 12 months of him being hired?
Doubtful, and Mikel took the job thinking he’d make us competitive. He’s in far over his head and he’s out of ideas. Dirt pounder doesn’t have a fuckin clue my dood lmaoooo
Exactly, his investment by the board has been completely bog standard and totally in line with both Wenger and Emery’s support in the market. The narrative that he’s had some kind of hyper investment is false but obviously people are going to twist anything they can to make him look like more of a failure even if it factually isn’t true.
Well first off you just keep ignoring the fact that as I’ve said we’ve invested 120m in defenders, and close to 150m now in the midfield/attack. He’s got more to work with than all but 3 or 4 teams in the league
Hopefully this means we’re about to see more of ESR/Saka/Pepe on the left, no Auba there, I don’t care if he’s even benched at point.
A much needed addition to our attack. Ode is still quite young too, a very important factor, gives us time to get something out of him and hopefully build a decent team in the near future.
I hope can push on a bit further compared to the last season. Constantly I (like many more) have that frustrating feeling with him that he has more technical ability to do more on the pitch but he’s just so reserved and just so reluctant to take risks on the pitch most of the time. He has a good skillset, a good shot, good dribbler, good passer… He’s just not using it. What was visible, when he gets into tricky situations, recieves a pass with a player on him, he usually gets out of those situations, rarely loses the ball. Has some nice footwork. But most of the time when he’s getting the ball without any pressure usually he just makes a harmless pass, keeps the ball going… He should be more decisive. He should be dragging opposition players closer to himself all the time basically and then passing it on, creating space with that, even taking people on more often…
I don’t know if it’s the part of his mentality not to take risks or those Arteta’s instructions. If it’s the former I’d definitely just push him further back, next to the DM, make him roughly a Kroos/Schweinsteiger type of player. With hid trchnical quality and passing he could possibly be quite and asset there, if he doesn’t want to play like a number 10 should play. Anyway I’m hoping to see a more aggressive/assertive Odegaard on the pitch as soon as possible.
Damn, it just got me thinking… Having him with Lokonga and Partey in midfield could mean some juicy football this season. Add ESR and Saka/Pepe on the wings to that, it actually seems very dynamic/creative…
Again, I’ll just end with what I started… We just can’t play Auba on the wing with the options we have atm.
Auba contract.
Saka
Esr
Xhaka contract and kept
Partey signed
Holding contract
Gabriel signed
Cedric signed
Mari signed
Leno chosen over martinez probably get ramsdale
Ceballos loaned last
Ode loaned and signed
Ben white signed
Lokonga signed
Taveres signed
Runar signed
Willian signed
Niles kept then loaned then kept
Luiz kept then sold
I’ve never said that, I’m simply saying that the belief he has had extensive investment by the board is frankly complete nonsense.
Though there’s literally no point in arguing it when you’re literally coming out with statements like he’s invested 120 million in defence when you’re including players that either have been brought to the club before Arteta was manager or haven’t even been signed yet.
If we’re dealing with players that came before the manager and players that might come in then it’s pretty easy to paint him is the most invested manager in the history of the sport, it’s also, from a factual point complete horseshit.
By the end of this summer he will likely have been responsible for signing;
3 CBs
3 CMs
1 LB
2 GKs (when we sign one)
1 Winger
2 RBs (if we sign one)
In paying £50m for White and potentially £25-£30m for Ramsdale, this club would have broken the respective transfer records for GK and CB.
In paying £45m for Partey, the club spent a sizeable upfront figure on a player without any opportunity to spread the cost.
He made a decision to keep Xhaka not once but twice. He’s hamstring out clubs ability to change style of play by persisting with him. He had sent Guendouzi and Saliba packing with the latter being inexplicably sent on a third loan whilst Mari, Holding and Mustafi have all been given minutes at CB.
The squad is how it is because Arteta favours certain players and has allowed other players to leave.
By the end of this window we are looking at an outlay of upwards of £150m in a single summer I’m not sure we’ve done that before in a summer where our outgoings are so low
Man you know I respect your opinion but you honestly can’t have this conversation and include hypothetical sales/transfers in or players and their wages that are at the club before Arteta was even here.
There’s a reason that the likes af A4TT are absolutely loving your stance on this topic and not’s because Arteta is the most backed manager in Arsenal history, it’s because it’s just a fictional stick to beat him with.
