Kai Havertz (29)

One way to look at it and maybe this works in a corporation where average can be absorbed but I think sports is a different business. Like a couple have mentioned I think we could have had him for less. We got him early and who else was willing to pay 65 mill for him? He is on the team and wish him and the team the best but however you want to review it, he needs to be better than average.

We have a similar issue going on with the LA Kings. Bought in a player, Dubois, for big money and traded a number 1 draft pick, and some good young players. He is ā€œnon chalantā€, good skills and big and not earning his keep. He has been called out for it publically by some ex players and since the coaching change there has been some improvement. With a big contracts come big expectations.

Now on the other hand Rice has not disappointed and it looks like Timber is a gem.

Only time will tell whether he is worth the Ā£65m we invested. It sounds a lot granted, but in the current market Ā£40m is very standard fee that you have to pay now for a pretty average player. I’ve seen enough that I’m prepared to give him more time. I have liked his performances in recent games and seems to be clicking with the other players now. Always a risk of judging players too quickly after they have joined the club.

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He’s also earning a good chunk of change in weekly salary too I think. Since we won’t be able to offload him we have no option but to hope time makes a bigger difference.

Half a season and you are talking offload

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In a perfect world I would not have brought him in. We can’t offload him and recover what we have spent on him. We are stuck with him hence I said ā€œsinceā€. This is an opinion board isn’t it or do we all have to get on our knees to agree with everything this club has and is doing?

Please tell me who else wanted Havertz and in restrospect, just go with your gut, would you have bought this guy. Just your opinion and I will not trample on it.

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ā€œStuck with himā€

Why are you talking like he’s some deadwood? You do realize he’s played the most games for us this season alongside White and Rice right?

He would probably be sitting there alone if he wasn’t suspended against West Ham.

Clearly he’s a great asset for the manager as he’s used him in various roles so far and picks him whenever available.

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Selling Havertz is not just unrealistic, it is also unfair. He’s only been here for six months.

Would I drop him to a squad man in place of a World Class midfielder? Yes, of course!

He’s contributing well at the moment and scored a brilliant goal yesterday, so it is better to focus on that instead of dreaming of a FDJ, Musiala or Pedri.

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Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

Please tell me you know he is our player now and can you and some pessimists here stop fucking being negative?

Do we need to go back and ask why we hired Arteta?

Why the fuck we are here to support the club??

Fuck man, we are #2 right now, best GD and least goal conceded and playing some good football right now.

Do we have to be this fucking why why why?

Could it possibly that we sighed a cheap WC player then he fucked up like Timber in the first game?

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If you go up to the fourth post in this thread you can see how we all voted re: wanting to sign Havertz.

27% of people did, which seemed rather high to me at the time.

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What was he cooking? :pires2:

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Agree, but big shout out to the 27% that thought this transfer was a good idea at the time. I wasn’t one of them. Jury is still out but if he keeps scoring and putting in good performances I will be happy to eat humble pie.

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Kai is arguably the main catalyst in our recent run of form, particularly the last 3 games and also a huge factor in the form of Trossard. I think the other one is White moving into the midfield on that right side.

Kai’s movement has been straight up bamboozling teams over the last few games. If he plays the 8 role, he is regularly moving into the CF spot with Tross dropping out of that spot to be involved elsewhere. He has been popping up in the wide spots too.

And great with the aerial duels too but that hasn’t really been an issue since we signed him anyway.

You can see why managers love this guy, happy to do dirty work and great movement.

I’d like to see him improve on the ball a bit in terms of the speed he does things, particularly moving the ball as part of our buildup he can be a bit slow.

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Maybe I am on the wrong board. Supporting the club to me does not mean blind loyalty. Up the Arsenal.

Don’t give me that shit.

We are winning convincingly and so many positive things going on but somehow you and othe pessimists keep pointing out the negatives and things you people don’tike.

What the fuck the club has done wrong so that you call it a blind support/loyalty??
Spending some money on a player you don’t like, you don’t want and you don’t rate?

What is the definition of blind support/loyalty?
Or you guys just don’t support, till the team gets you the player you think is good, like FDJ or some obvious good players that don’t even need scouts to identify?

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Relax mate, the pessimists in here annoy me at times too but I haven’t seen much criticism recently, certainly not enough to be angry about it. :joy:

When I see people saying blind support, blind loyalty, I’m pissed.
They just hijack the term and try to make some general definitions without context and substance.

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I don’t know about him being the main catalyst but I will say, he made himself more than useful. You have highlighted a lot of the things he does and he should be appreciated for that. But what happens is when assessing his game, you invariably remember the occasions where he had a poor touch, mis-controlled the ball in a crucial area, had a weak shot at goal and then you feel he had an average game, especially if he hasn’t scored or assisted in the game.

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If we praise Jesus for holding the ball and doing tricks without scoring goals; or we acknowledge Martinelli’s sprints that terrorizing the opposing full backs without goals or assists.

Well, none of our player is an out and put scorer.
Do we simply judge them by Gs and As and not allowing them to contribute in other ways?

Let’s say we have a low scoring game 1:0.
Only the scorer (just one, maybe there isn’t a player to get the assist) and the goalie get credit while the other 9 players plus subs are shit?
None of them contribute in that game?

When we have a high scoring game, does it mean you have to put yourself on score sheet to get credit, so Martinelli had a shit game (which is not)??

In a 90-minute game I’m pretty sure every player will make a not so perfect move and not so smart decision, more or less. Sake made some bad moves, Ode made some bad passes, someone being too risky, someone pholding the ball for too long.

Is it necessary to count who mishandled the ball or lost possession or made a bad shot while we were actually winning 5-0 in a dominant way??

He still has some issues; his finishing isn’t great, he is a bit laboured in possession, he still doesn’t play with much conviction. But in terms of the last 3 games, we have just been tearing teams up and I think a huge part of that is the variance he offers with his play.

As above, White moving more central is another key factor but I think Kai’s movement has really opened up the game for Trossard in particular.

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