If you break the rules, and then not only refuse to accept responsibility for your actions, but lie about it, then that says a lot about your character.
That seems very harsh to me
Id have no problem in him coming to us at all
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How is it harsh to think he deserves criticism and a setback in his career for doing something so basically stupid which got him suspended for months on end when he was an important part of a team?
I dont think the punishment is harsh, it is what it is and hes having to do it before he can return.
I think your post was harsh,
I obviously see it differently, but its just a few bets, he likes a bet, so do I
I just dont see it as a big offence, I think he didnt know he was breaking rules and has been caught out
Sorry but that is bollocks. I know for a fact that players are reminded every season about this very thing, and it is drilled into them that this is against the rules, and if you get caught you will be punished.
I’m an ex gambler (borderline addict). What stood out is that it doesn’t appear that Toney is completely finished with betting. He’ll stop whilst playing but the way he’s speaking is that he could fall back in. He seems more angry with the punishment than he does being willing to admit that gambling (even of it isn’t match fixing) isn’t good professional conduct.
I mean, he might not have an addiction, he was averaging around a bet a week, so it may have been simply a habit rather than an addiction.
I’m not that offended, it’s not likes he’s been taking performance enhancing drugs. It’s just I was expecting this interview to sound different.
I’m just over an hour in.
It won’t be huge money tbh, anything more than 20-25m is asinine from us given his situation.
It’s a massive offence to break betting rules, that’s why the punishment is so severe.
1 hour 46 mins long. Fuck that
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If you have a job where betting is against the rules, and you choose to not only ignore those rules but to lie about it when confronted, then you can’t complain when you are punished for it.
That’s the usual length of diary of a CEO tbh
I’ll be honest he really isn’t a proven goal scorer. He’s got one good goal scoring season behind him which was last season where he managed 14 non penalty goals and 20 in total.
He’s got two seasons in the PL behind him where he’s played 66 games, scored 32 goals and 11 of those were penalties. So we’re looking at someone who’s scored 21 goals in 66 games from open play which equates to roughly a 1 in 3 record.
I kind of look at his goal record the same way I looked at Lacazette which is, when you remove penalties, it starts to look a lot more average.
And don’t get me wrong a goal is a goal no matter how it’s scored and I would never usually look at non penalty goals stats. But I think in the case of Toney we’re looking at signing someone who is definitely no better or worse a goal scorer than Jesus but without as much quality as Jesus.
If we’re in the market for a new striker let’s aim a little higher than spunking crazy money on Ivan Toney.
There’s absolutely no way that Brentford are going to even entertain the idea of letting their most potent attacking player leave for £20-25m.
He’s scored goals at every level that’s he’s played at and was a large part of why his teans have gone through promotions.
I don’t mind the penalty argument if it is consistent. Maybe not you, but people do not seem to remove Saka’s penalty goals to question his output. Context is needed. Maybe Toney is winning these penalties and the fact he is so prolific from the spot is a feather in his cap. Cup games can go to penalties. I know if definitely want Toney in our first five.
What impresses me the most about Toney is how he performs against the top teams. He slayed us, United and City last year.
In a better team, with better service, it’s hard to see him not scoring plenty.
Saka scored 2 penalty goals last season.
And generally speaking, I don’t usually factor in penalty goals but when a sizeable portion of your goals come from the penalty spot I don’t think that’s what I’d consider a proven scorer.
He’s literally had ONE impressive goalscoring season in the Premier League. That isn’t proven. If he comes back in January, hits the ground running and adds 10-12 goals in the second half of the season I’d entertain the idea but right now I don’t consider him to be a proven goalscorer.
He’s a good all round player, offers a lot when he plays but I don’t see how bringing him in offers us an actual good alternative to Jesus. He doesn’t score at a rate I’d consider more impressive than Jesus and the all round game of Jesus is better than Toney.
If we sign a striker - I want something massively different to JEsus
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Epitome of a goalscorer. Okay, yes, he’s only had one season of goalscoring in the Premier League but I’ve read it differently in that he’s made the jump up.
I actually agree with your other points. Toney is the striker I want to come in and offer an alternative to Jesus. His goalscoring past impresses me more than that of say Vlahovic.
I’m not interested in goal scoring stats down in the lower league.
He’s scored the sum total of 21 goals from open play across two seasons in the Premier League. That is not a proven goalscorer.
Proven at a lower level means nothing relative to where Arsenal stand as a club.
You might be the wrong person then because some people toss themselves over silly of Ramos or Nunez despite most of their goals coming in nothing leagues and the top tier of Portuguese football.
If a striker converts their form in a weaker league into Premier League goals then that’s enough to convince me.
Lacazette never did so should not be compared to Toney. Ivan Toney has scored goals everywhere that he’s been so the only reason I could forsee him not succeeding here would be dealing with pressure.
Toney has also played for shit clubs his entire career, so the fact that he has that many goals whilst getting little to no service is pretty good imho.
With Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli behind him, I can see him easily getting 20-30 goals here.
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When has a player ever gone from scoring 21 goals from open play across 2 seasons to suddenly becoming a 20-30 goal a season striker just because he’s moved to a better club? It’s a bit of a fallacy. It doesn’t happen.