No need, just read your post again. It’s just there.
Israel invaded and occupied Palestine.
Wasn’t it called stop the Russian invasion on Ukraine?
I’m confused
Are you talking generally since 1947 or about a specific war?
Israeli occupancy of Palestinian lands is a consequence of Arabs attacking Israel in 1948 and 1967. Israel didn’t go out to invade Palestine.
Israel had occupied Egypt’s Sinai, Gaza & West Bank region during the 1967 war. Israel returned the Sinai region back to Egypt as part of a peace treaty.
Arabs & Palestine had enough opportunity to discuss terms with Israel for several years before Israel amplified the settlement frequency. But unlike Egypt, Palestinians were too stubborn.
For additional info, the Sinai region is a much larger landmass than the Palestinian region; yet Israel chose peace.
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That’s convenient.
Is the price of that freedom include the murder of civilians? Does it have to be that way? I don’t believe it does.
Edit: I’d say the same to someone who uncritically backs the Israeli government. Their policy of dehumanization and collective punishment doesn’t actually make Israel safer imo.
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I didn’t say it does. You can see that in my agreement to Jules post after mine.
Palestine was a British colony. Instead of giving Palestine their land, it was decided to split it and start a new state called Israel. That sparked the war for people wanting to free their land and have a new nation occupy their land. So no, Arabs did not just attack Israel for fun in 1948.
And as for 1967, you forgot to mention that Israel went on to occupy Sinai in 1956. So again, in 1967 it was an attempt to free land and not just attack Israel for fun.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict | Global Conflict Tracker.
"In 1947, the United Nations adopted Resolution 181, known as the Partition Plan, which sought to divide the British Mandate of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was created, sparking the first Arab-Israeli War. The war ended in 1949 with Israel’s victory, but 750,000 Palestinians were displaced, and the territory was divided into 3 parts: the State of Israel, the West Bank (of the Jordan River), and the Gaza Strip.
Over the following years, tensions rose in the region, particularly between Israel and Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Following the 1956 Suez Crisis and Israel’s invasion of the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, Jordan, and Syria signed mutual defense pacts in anticipation of a possible mobilization of Israeli troops. In June 1967, following a series of maneuvers by Egyptian President Abdel Gamal Nasser, Israel preemptively attacked Egyptian and Syrian air forces, starting the Six-Day War. After the war, Israel gained territorial control over the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip from Egypt; the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan; and the Golan Heights from Syria"
Israel occupied Sinai for a mere 4 months in 1956-57 and returned it back, so there was no land for Egypt to free in the 1967 war.
It’s irrelevant. You said Israel invaded & occupied
That’s categorically untrue.
Feel free to disagree with the formation of Israel but what happened pre-formation of Israel is not Israel’s fault. That’s the British Empire’s fault.
Israel simply retaliated to said invasion attempts of 1948 & 1967.
When you initiate a war, you need to face the consequences of the war.
Arabs & Palestinians initiated the invasion and faced the consequence of losing more ground to Israelis.
Using your analogy, it’s similar to Russia trying to invade Ukraine. If Ukraine succeeds in self-defence & counterattacks to repel as well as occupy Russian land, it will not be considered an invasion. (at least I hope so)
And once Russia loses to Ukraine, they can’t just go to Ukraine and say “Oops my bad, let’s go back to as things were”. It doesn’t work like that. All Russia can do after that is negotiate a compromise.
Once Palestinians & Arabs failed in their invasion, they have to negotiate with Israel on their terms, not continue to be stubborn & put your people in perpetual conflict.
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Also once they compromised, they cannot go back and use the same excuse/reason again.
Action was taken and you just cannot use the same reason repeatedly.
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Your reading of my response is the sort of narrative that spotty teenage keyboard warriors and lonely internet trolls get up to.
https://x.com/jerusalem_post/status/1712460425529372821?s=46&t=sW1RO2cqKAWo7pmMeLTmiA
Apparently the Israeli PM posted photos of burnt and beheaded babies on X.
Since I am not into gore you’re free to verify yourself.
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While I agree with the notion that Arab nations should have made peace with Israel a long time ago I vehemently disagree with the way you’re presenting Israel’s role in this conflict especially in the last 40 years or so.
Israel has all of the cards but has continually shown it is not interested in peace. It has escalated it’s deprivation and humiliation of Palestinians and now it’s committing outright ethnic cleansing.
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We don’t know that. There was never a concrete effort from both sides to make it work.
If we go by what Israel did with Camp David Accord to let go of Sinai region, you can surmise that they do have the capacity to go with the terms if mutually agreed. To provide context, here’s what they did to achieve peace with Egypt.
Framework Peace Treaty Egypt and Israel
The second framework outlined a basis for the peace treaty six months later, in particular deciding the future of the Sinai peninsula. Israel agreed to withdraw its armed forces from the Sinai, evacuate its 4,500 civilian inhabitants, and restore it to Egypt in return for normal diplomatic relations with Egypt, guarantees of freedom of passage through the Suez Canal and other nearby waterways (such as the Straits of Tiran), and a restriction on the forces Egypt could place on the Sinai peninsula, especially within 20–40 km from Israel. This process would take three years to complete. Israel also agreed to limit its forces a smaller distance (3 km) from the Egyptian border, and to guarantee free passage between Egypt and Jordan. With the withdrawal, Israel also returned Egypt’s Abu-Rudeis oil fields in western Sinai, which contained long term, commercially productive wells.
Oil Fields, Suez Canal and water resources. That’s billions of dollars of resources & landmass returned back to Egypt, when they could have just held onto it. Suez Canal alone makes 7-10 billion dollars of revenue every year.
Palestines & Arabs should have swallowed their pride and agree the terms with Israel, who were victors of 3 wars.
I think a working peace could be achieved if you removed Hamas and the radical Islamists from the dynamics.
The entire history of the Arab involvement in this conflict is marked by repeated military failures and alignment with the wrong major power. As long as Fatah and Hamas continue to be useful proxies for Iran there can never be peace.
There’s genuine international sympathy towards Palestinians in the Gaza and West Bank dealing with illegal settlements, bombing and displacement but the actions of Hamas eliminates any potential international political support.
Large parts of the Arab world has slowly realized the conflict isn’t worth fighting and are looking to normalize relations with Israel
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Plus Israeli ultranationalist. I wonder if Oslo Accord would have made progress if Yitzhak Rabin was not assassinated.
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Great example of your immaturity. You misinterpreted what I said and instead of accepting a clarification you get in your feelings and revert to name calling. Couldn’t even provide a quote when given ample opportunity.
I gave you an out by attempting not to get into a back and forth with you. Either accept the out I gave you or provide a quote for the offense you claim I committed against you.
I’m not accusing you or making a judgment about you.
EDIT: I just used your techniques back on you. Fun isn’t it?
One of the real sliding door moments in my childhood. I remember being ushered into the auditorium with all other other kids to watch them sign the deal and then being in the car not too long later with our Zadie when the news about Rabin being killed came through.
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I think you would have to remove the radical zealots on both sides.
Even if Hamas were to vanish tomorrow, there still wouldn’t be peace. The wall wouldn’t come down, the checkpoints would remain and the West Bank would still be gobbled up by settlers.
Eventually another organisation like Hamas would spring up, and we’d be back to square one.
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