Ian Wright

No, I’m saying he took the jobs he could get after being fired by Arsenal. I don’t begrudge someone earning a living.

He ideally shouldn’t have left Spurs for Leeds. I don’t know why he did, probably more money or maybe he had family in London. But Leeds were on an upward trajectory with Spurs middling during that period

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I’m a bit sketchy on the details, but didn’t we have to sack him? Wasn’t he then banned for a year anyway? I just don’t believe that he had to take the Spurs job. If you’re an Arsenal legend then no job should be preferable to the Spurs job. Plus, he already had a job at Leeds anyway, and by all accounts they were happy with him, so he could easily have seen out his contract there.

It also shows how little Arsenal fans cared

Yea whatever. I have a different opinion to you about him being the embodiment of Arsenal. If you think a trophy winning spurs manager is that that’s up to you but I think you’re in a minority.

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This is one of them things that falls into a grey area for me, I somewhat agree and understand with @shamrockgooner in a way but then lean more towards what @DavidHillier and @arsenescoatmaker views.

Dennis Law is still considered a Utd legend, even though he moved to City and helped Utd get relegated in 1974, Graham won titles and cups as both a player and a manager at Arsenal, gave us probably the greatest night in the history of the club and maybe the league at anfield back in ‘89, helped lay the foundations for one of the best backlines in the league, but then went and managed Spurs winning them a cup in the process. I don’t begrudge him a living, and I can understand giving the circumstances in which he left, he wasn’t just sacked but also humiliated. That he wanted revenge. I’m not condoning what he done, but taking bungs has, is and always will be part of them game. No doubt he wasn’t the only one. It’s hard to not take all of that into consideration when talking about Graham, So for me personally I will choose to ignore that stint at Spurs and still consider him a legend.

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No I think we threw him under the bus for the bung he took 3 years before. This was something common in the sport and has only to become much more common. You have to ask why it took 3 years to sack him over the incident. It seems like we sacked him when we were mid-table because we were mid-table and used the excuse of a bung he took 3 years prior. So we did stab him in the back if that’s the case. In which case going to Spurs is fair dos.

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Funny how you’re probably the one in a minority on this but hey, keep blowing that trumpet, won’t you.

Good point on Denis law @BizzySignal

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Just to be clear, I’m not remotely calling Grahams legend status into question here. I’m saying in this very specific discussion he can’t be considered.

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:thinking:

Haha a poll you couldn’t even write properly

Course there’ll be some yeses

*More yeses. A majority in fact. :wink:

Anyway some of us gotta work.

Ain’t gonna waste time on a a dickhead like you.

(Funny how that name suits you to a tee)

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But Sham also thinks Graham is a legend, that’s not the point he’s making, unless I’m mistaken.

His point was that if you were to pick one person as being the sole embodiment of Arsenal football club, you wouldn’t pick someone who went on to manage Spurs and win them a trophy. That’s distinct to any conversation about whether or not Graham is a legend, its not the same discussion.

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Yeah my bad I worded it wrong, to me he isn’t the sole embodiment of Arsenal don’t think you can pick one person for that, but to me personally he is part of a larger collective that embodies Arsenal. Whenever he’s mentioned by pundits, ex players and football historians it’s always synonymous with Arsenal.

Just to add we’re talking like a nearly 10 year managerial period and how many years as a player, that period is always referred to Graham’s Arsenal. He was more mr Arsenal during that time than any of the players and whenever looking back at the period I think that’s how it will be remembered. If that makes sense.

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True. Graham is synonymous with the club

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Romford Pele deserves a mention also :grin:

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But if you were and you asked who is Mr Arsenal, it’d have to be between Wenger and Graham and Graham has the double winning as a player over Wenger

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Lol Wrighty always puts that outspoken prick in his place.

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