Not sure how it’s a race thing? Honestly it sounds like you’re just creating that sentiment in your head.
Unprofessional, sure. Based on race? Extremely dubious.
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Yes, I have created the history of English football having institutionalized biases against black players out of whole cloth. My mother always said I had a great imagination.
I still don’t understand what the colour of Wright’s skin had to do with the story though?
You’ve literally just thrown in Wright being black for no real reason other than there’s been historical issues with English press treatment of black players.
There’s not any indication within the referees story that his issue had anything to do with Wright’s skin colour and everything to do with the fact he’s a cunt with an ego.
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That’s how biases work. It’s not necessarily a conscious thing. We know there has been and still are issues within English football with race. Why would it be any different for officials?
And look, it’s not like this is something unique to English football. And if it makes you feel better to believe it’s not a factor at all, go on believing it. I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise.
You still haven’t answered the question, you’re just rambling on and saying your own thing.
You ever think about going into politics
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Fellaini got away with murder all the time the elbowing bastard, Cattermole being the right ethnic group really didn’t help him much either.
Ashley Young was a dirty player too that got away with quite a bit.
That clip more confirms the belief the refs like being the centre of attention more than anything else.
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So in other words you had no real reason to mention the fact that Wright was black after listening to the referee’s story.
Basically it was an irrelevant usage of skin colour.
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Very true
I answered the question twice.
You ever think about taking a reading comprehension course?
@SRCJJ Let me try to explain this to you one more time. The ref told a story and in that story he made it clear he was going to exact some sort of revenge or take some punitive action against Wright because Wright complained. He then tells the story yucking it up with people off camera. I don’t believe the official would have treated a white England’s international player that way or felt so comfortable doing it that he’d turn around and share it as some funny story years later. Whether you believe it or not black players in England, especially black English players, were and are treated differently. It doesn’t mean the official is a racist, but I do believe that there’s enough of a history in England that the kind of behavior that official admitted to would be less likely to occur if the player at issue was white. It’s really that simple. The same way Sterling was branded a diver but Kane wasn’t. The way Rooney was able to front up to officials red in the face like some overgrown toddler and Saka isn’t. Maybe it’s uncomfortable to hear an outsider make those judgments about English football culture but that’s your issue to sort out.
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@Joshua The problem with your theory (and examples) is the official has to be racist for it to work. You haven’t thought this through. If at all.
Then you use Rooney as an example…exposing your ‘outsider’ knowledge isn’t complete. Anyone that watched the Golden Generation can testify the slightest mishap everyone was at them. If there was a group of players that could’ve done with English football culture relenting for at least 10 seconds it would be them.
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And how long have you been watching English football for? If you’re gonna go down the needlessly sniping route you’re gonna have to do better than that.
Tbf @Joshua i understand, the flashy black player got a little kicking.
It wasn’t explicit but there is probably an implicit bias there and being black is a part of it but I wouldn’t say the official is a racist or racially abused anyone.
It’s just that culture of North western refs - which technically I am also showing the bias against there.
No he doesn’t. That’s the thing with institutional racism and biases. I doubt this ref, whoever he is, is spending his free time doing UKIP rallies or collecting Strom Thurmond bobbleheads. But he may still have unconscious biases when it comes to reffing black players.
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Joshua, you need to remember what you’re saying. You just typed it three hours ago.
Review your theory:
Ref tells a story about how he was going to get one on Ian Wright. This is an intentional action. You believe Ian Wright being black played a factor to why he did it to such a degree you don’t believe it would happen to a white player.
No way this level of disproportionate targeted treatment would be explained by a unconscious bias (Slightly suspect you don’t know what it means). Your theory suggests he was being malicious (indirectly) to Ian Wright because he was Black. So yes he would have to be racist or your theory doesn’t work.
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Idk I’m wondering if you know what it means.
That level of treatment or non-treatment since he was letting the fouls go can absolutely be explained by an unconscious bias. He felt that it was okay or acceptable to teach Wright a lesson because he complained or whatever. He may not have said in the interview “Oh I did it because he was black” or used some dog whistle like “uppity” (which tbf may be more of a US thing), but he obviously thought it wasn’t just okay but something that should be done.
Again, the bias is that he felt it was okay to do it. (And then laugh about it years later.) I can’t say if he’s racist or not based on that one clip. My guess, and it’s only a guess, is that he probably isn’t. Most people aren’t like foaming at the mouth racists but all of us carry certain biases.
I think the scenario where the official thought the appropriate response to a player complaining was to let that player get the shit kicked out of him would not have occurred if that player was a high profile white England international. Because I can’t say what’s in the official’s heart or head or know if he spends his free time reading Chris Rufo, I think it makes more sense to chalk it up to an unconscious bias.
Did those motherfuckers explain why Szoboslai not getting a yellow??
Where was the fucking letter of law they emphasized so much 2 weeks ago??
Where was fucking Shearer??
Fuck those motherfuckers.
Wish them all having prostate cancer.
Let’s try to breathe in and breathe out Ron…and try make it to the Spurs match.
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I agree, given how big a talking point that Rice second yellow was, it’s pretty fucking annoying that it’s now totally forgotten and pundits aren’t even noting that just one game week later the same fucking thing has happened, except no punishment this time!
I don’t expect them to be raging and campaigning for Arsenal and Rice, but it would be nice if one of them just briefly noted it, mentioning he was lucky not to get a second yellow and a red given this new directive and how it was applied just one game ago.
They were so fucking keen to talk letter of the law and new directives. And I’m totally fine withthat, but do it CONSISTENTLY.
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Honestly, although not surprisingly, this is such an odd hill for you to die on.
I don’t think anyone is debating the existence of racism in football. But that doesn’t mean any situation involving anything negative happening to a black player is automatically an extension of that.
Player makes cheeky comments to ref, ref lets him take a few knocks for being a cheeky bugger. Why does it have to be more complicated than that? Sounds like a pretty typical way to react to someone giving you some lip.
It’s obviously not a professional reaction in the context but I don’t think that element is up for debate.
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https://x.com/afcdw/status/1835975209280589849?s=46
We have to fly out these refs to Dubai also.
Then we can half players like this too
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