Of course. Seems logical no?
Prison is the only suitable place for people who persistently show no regard for the law or property. Persistent offenders should definitely be placed there
Of course. Seems logical no?
Prison is the only suitable place for people who persistently show no regard for the law or property. Persistent offenders should definitely be placed there
Our prisons are already full. Theyâd have to release some rapists or murders in order to lock these protesters up. Maybe thatâs why they do it. Itâs evidence that law and order is breaking down in the UK when people know that small crimes will no longer lead to custodial sentences.
Just a hypothesis.
There needs to be some form of punishment. Personally not against a prison sentence, but Courts are probably more likely to hand out a fine. Just hope we are talking tens of thousands of pounds.
Thatâs for the court to decide, but it should be significant. If a fine for a protected tree can be as much as ÂŁ10,000-ÂŁ30,000, then the fine for this should be moreâŚ
I doubt youâd call the EDL or Football Lads Alliance terrorists for smashing up a bus stop or some other petty shit during one of their marches. I doubt youâd call Banksy a terrorist, or even violent, for causing criminal damage while making a political point.
I just donât really believe that you apply the label terrorist in such a way consistently.
BtwâŚI love that this thread is getting more traction that the Scotland match atm! Is @Calum all by himself in that thread?
Well it depends, what you have suggested is still a crime and should be prosecuted but this sort of thing is usually incidental.
Eco terrorists like JSO and ER coordinate, conspire and act out in an intentional and organised manner. Rather than being individuals, there seems to be a high level of centralisation in their direct action.
I wouldnât call Banksy a violent terrorist, a minor vandal who produces great art. Defacing national monuments doesnât seem to be his MO
A fine for causing no damage to a special stone should be upwards of thirty grand. Absolutely unhinged again.
And what about the prison sentence?
Now wait a second, if youâre referring to the Sycamore Tree, it was cut down. Whatâs the equivalent here?
I get you donât agree with authority! But weâre talking about a World Heritage Site here. This isnât just some random collection of stones! So, I want to see a big fine, or Iâm happy with prison sentences, or both. These two individuals knew what they were doing was wrong and there should be consequences for their actions.
My point is that there are different levels of protection for things in this country - trees, listed buildings, scheduled ancient monuments, and world heritage sites. If a fine for removing a protected tree can be as much as ÂŁ10,000-ÂŁ20,000 or more in some cases, it follows that the fines for a world heritage site should be higher.
It would have made more sense painting Greta Thunberg orange seeing as the druids were seen as being the protectors of nature.
I donât believe any type of fossil fuel was used in the construction of Stonehenge
How long a prison sentence?
I donât know. Iâm not a judge and donât hand out prison sentences, but it seems that one of two involved in this incident has previously been sent to prison for their role in climate protestsâŚso that makes me more inclined to also want to see a prison sentence handed down given the previous history.
Kind of is though.
Youâre the one saying they should go to prison and you donât know for how long?!
The longest prison sentence I can find for one of them is three years for taking part in obstructing a major bridge. Is that long enough for you??
Youâre just jealous because all you have is the Blarney Stone! And everyone goes around kissing it too! No one can touch Stonehenge!
Itâs some rocks. Rocks that cause an enormous traffic jam on the daily. Actually a fairly legitimate target now I think about it
Well previous convictions need to be taken into account, and there is also a suggestion that there was already an injunction in place which they would have been aware of. I would need to be clear on these things before saying whether three years was sufficient.
JSO protestors disagree.
Weâve got Newgrange over here so i think weâre set
Given that youâre advocating prison sentences you should really be able to be specific about what youâre saying is acceptable.
Whatâs the minimum you think someone should have to do in prison for doing this, assuming they have a previously clean record, and the maximum if they donât?