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Of course. Seems logical no?

Prison is the only suitable place for people who persistently show no regard for the law or property. Persistent offenders should definitely be placed there

Our prisons are already full. They’d have to release some rapists or murders in order to lock these protesters up. Maybe that’s why they do it. It’s evidence that law and order is breaking down in the UK when people know that small crimes will no longer lead to custodial sentences.

Just a hypothesis.

There needs to be some form of punishment. Personally not against a prison sentence, but Courts are probably more likely to hand out a fine. Just hope we are talking tens of thousands of pounds.

That’s for the court to decide, but it should be significant. If a fine for a protected tree can be as much as £10,000-£30,000, then the fine for this should be more…

I doubt you’d call the EDL or Football Lads Alliance terrorists for smashing up a bus stop or some other petty shit during one of their marches. I doubt you’d call Banksy a terrorist, or even violent, for causing criminal damage while making a political point.

I just don’t really believe that you apply the label terrorist in such a way consistently.

Btw…I love that this thread is getting more traction that the Scotland match atm! Is @Calum all by himself in that thread? :rofl:

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Well it depends, what you have suggested is still a crime and should be prosecuted but this sort of thing is usually incidental.

Eco terrorists like JSO and ER coordinate, conspire and act out in an intentional and organised manner. Rather than being individuals, there seems to be a high level of centralisation in their direct action.

I wouldn’t call Banksy a violent terrorist, a minor vandal who produces great art. Defacing national monuments doesn’t seem to be his MO

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A fine for causing no damage to a special stone should be upwards of thirty grand. Absolutely unhinged again.

And what about the prison sentence?

Now wait a second, if you’re referring to the Sycamore Tree, it was cut down. What’s the equivalent here?

I get you don’t agree with authority! But we’re talking about a World Heritage Site here. This isn’t just some random collection of stones! So, I want to see a big fine, or I’m happy with prison sentences, or both. These two individuals knew what they were doing was wrong and there should be consequences for their actions.

My point is that there are different levels of protection for things in this country - trees, listed buildings, scheduled ancient monuments, and world heritage sites. If a fine for removing a protected tree can be as much as ÂŁ10,000-ÂŁ20,000 or more in some cases, it follows that the fines for a world heritage site should be higher.

It would have made more sense painting Greta Thunberg orange seeing as the druids were seen as being the protectors of nature.

I don’t believe any type of fossil fuel was used in the construction of Stonehenge

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How long a prison sentence?

I don’t know. I’m not a judge and don’t hand out prison sentences, but it seems that one of two involved in this incident has previously been sent to prison for their role in climate protests…so that makes me more inclined to also want to see a prison sentence handed down given the previous history.

Kind of is though.

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You’re the one saying they should go to prison and you don’t know for how long?!

The longest prison sentence I can find for one of them is three years for taking part in obstructing a major bridge. Is that long enough for you??

You’re just jealous because all you have is the Blarney Stone! And everyone goes around kissing it too! No one can touch Stonehenge!

It’s some rocks. Rocks that cause an enormous traffic jam on the daily. Actually a fairly legitimate target now I think about it :joy:

Well previous convictions need to be taken into account, and there is also a suggestion that there was already an injunction in place which they would have been aware of. I would need to be clear on these things before saying whether three years was sufficient.

JSO protestors disagree. :smiley:

We’ve got Newgrange over here so i think we’re set :slight_smile:

Given that you’re advocating prison sentences you should really be able to be specific about what you’re saying is acceptable.

What’s the minimum you think someone should have to do in prison for doing this, assuming they have a previously clean record, and the maximum if they don’t?