Netherlands is hiring a lot of offshore candidates so in your figures how many are refugees or non-work immigrants?
I donât know, what you talk about might be temporary visa - then it is not per say an immigrant according to the statistics, in any case it would constitute a small fraction of the figures.
We have 100.000 vacant job applications, which immigrants from non-European countries seldomly fullfil. Moreso they sit on benefits. Again, this is what pushes the Dutch to the right.
Ukrainians who come here, male and female, are mostly working. Thatâs not the case with non-European immigrants.
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The thing is - Europeans arenât having enough babies to be sustaining their manufacturing and economies, and giving a tax base for their older populations (getting older by the year)
For a variety of reasons - insecure in housing, career, finances, donât want to, etc etc
So their governments need short term solutions for this - to import foreign workers.
Now there is a clash of cultures and this can lead to destabilisation when there is not a strong national identity (shared from all groups - see the US/Canada).
The leaders of Europe should be honest with their populations. If you donât want these immigrants, fine. But they are sustaining the country right now and if they go we need an alternative or there will be a change in the way the state operates and generates revenue through taxation etc.
So while every far right prick says they will do something about it, they wonât. They canât, really.
Because more often than not they, or their backers support immigration as it encourages a race to the bottom with exploitation of local AND immigrant populations, and generates extra profits for them.
Id respect the likes of Wilders more, if they encourage local populations to increase their birth rates more, provide them subsidies and infrastructure to be able to do that so you have an actual solution to these issues, along with making immigrantsâ lives hell.
Brown people should just go to the Gulf anyways, or US/Canada if they are lucky. Which is what I feel they are doing more.
Europe in many ways is a declining continent is what I have come to believe.
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This is what the right wing government of Poland did in the last 8 years they had power. For every child a Polish family receives the equivalent of 180 euros. Not a huge sum, but have 4 children and itâs something extra.
Poland is also one of the strongest European economies and one of the safest nations with very little violent crime.
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And look at how they are doing.
All the Polish workers propping up our health and social care left with Brexit, and now nobody will want to come here because the standard of living is much higher there.
But the UK government hates poor people and young people of all colour and so it wonât help its population have kids.
Instead they are going full force with importing anyone and everyone from the rest of the world, yet sabre rattling itâs population with disgusting immigration rhetoric, every time it has another scandal.
Itâs pathetic.
I have sympathies with those that are concerned about immigration, they feel their communities are being destroyed.
However the main culprit is not people who by and large come over to improve their conditions and want to contribute to the communities. Itâs those that exploit immigrants to further drive down standards and worker power. And also then pit the 2 groups against eachother.
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I still remember the halcyon days when Polish immigrants were being lambasted by our press for earning money here, and sending it back home.
And now their country is doing well, they arenât emigrating as much. Go figure 
Now I see Brits moving to Poland. How the tables have turned
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Iâm not surprised. Poland is a beautiful country.
Sure is. It has changed so much last 20 years. Thanks to the EU by the way and its investments. Something the Polish right wing government likes to forget.
As for landscape, you have everything. The mountains in the south, plains in the middle, 100s of lakes and the only primordial forest in Europe in the north-east and beach and resorts along the Baltic coastline.
The cities have been rebuild and its historic towns are picturesque.
Groceries are very cheap.
And itâs very safe compared to many other European nations.
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Yeah I went climbing there a couple of years ago, in the Jura.
I should definitely go back.
Interestingly. This is becoming the case across the world. Even Jamaica for example where having a family is (still) more cultural (and Religious) than financial. The fertility rate is dropping.
Without opening a can of worms I think the bad effects of Capitalism is having an effect on society no longer sustaining themselves. Or rather I should say it has become too influential than it shouldâve been.
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The only place it is not the case is west Africa.
Nigeria is primed to take over if they donât bottle it.
Gulf states will take precedent as they will take the majority of that immigration (most of the population there is immigrant I feel now anyways, they built those countries).
And America will always be on top, climate change is the only thing that looks to kill American hegemony.
Iâd never considered Dutch an ethnicity. Is that how the Dutch view themselves?
The Dutch are an ethnic group native to the Netherlands. They share a common ancestry and culture and speak the Dutch language.
If we trace back their origins theyâre a mix of Franks, Saxons and Frisians. However, in contemporary times theyâre different in mentality, tradition and language from Germans, French and even Belgians.
Certainly I am none of that since my origins are in Eastern Europe, the Balkan and a little bit Scandinavian.
My point is, I am born here but my parents are not so I am not really raised with typical Dutch traditions. Whilst a native Dutch person is raised with these traditions for centuries.
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Is this more a result of post-Brexit crutch to make the UK more appealing to the rich, to keep their money/assets in the country, give them generous benefits etc? Feels like it.
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UK spends more financing inequality in favour of rich than rest of Europe,âŚ
The Tories favouring the rich, rather than the poorâŚyou donât say?
Theyâre funded by big business, as well as very rich individuals, so itâs no real surprise.
Rather than stating the obvious, the Guardian might want to tell us what Labour actually stand for and why theyâre such an ineffective opposition against one of the worst governments this country has seen.
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I mean the unelected by the public PMâs wife is also a benefactor of being stinking rich⌠The peopleâs party though because theyâre leveling up.
Cunts.
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I always view UK politics especially since Brexit as just a performance to show how civilized and just like the rest of Europe the UK is.
My view is the UK government has for some time, but more so after Brexit, served at the pleasure of the U.S. and its foreign policy interests. It doesnât matter which party is in power.
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Was thinking the other day how the hell is this high ranking demon still above ground.
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Must have run out of children to sacrifice.
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