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It got slapped because she felt that way, and what white judge is going to say nope lol.

Doubtful to engage with this brother because I’m convinced there’s no way this he’s telling the truth even about his actual experiences. Convinced he’s just on here to aggravate people and say whatever to piss people off. Either that or he’s genuinely a real unsavoury bloke in life.

I can imagine you’re hanging onto cases of drunk punters at clubs, bars or restaurants behaving inappropriately where the women have to laugh it off because they can’t get away from it and applying it to every single setting out there. Just because it’s common and long for women to report them all doesn’t mean it’s wanted. Women often speak out about how unwanted it is and how they have to live with this shit. We all see that shit regularly too but nothing about that makes it right and certainly not what should be the standard. It’s just the state of affairs.

But again, it feels silly to be engaging in this when I don’t think you’re being serious or you’re in any way open minded to consider the damage of said persons actions.

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I ain’t you brother dude, secondly this conversation is about her being harassed, because everyone agrees that she has.

Again you go and construct this weird narrative to feel superior.

Try reading it again. He asks for the name calling to stop generally, and then says mhappy has been warned about this previously.

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I love the idea that she was only offended because he wasn’t good looking :slight_smile:

Yeah it is well documented women respond to men differently depending on attractiveness, that is not some sort secret or hot take.

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I mean that definitely does happen, the better looking you are the more you get away with in general.

The woman in question may still have been offended even if the dude was a 10/10 but it’s not the stupidest thing to suggest of all of it tbh.

It’s nonsense, in this situation.

What have I done

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We don’t know that, if she is young she would look at him and some creepy old dude.

We also have to ask ourselves if he is approaching like that, there is a possibility he has been successful in the past.

Probably, I’d say being drunk is the biggest factor because he probably came off as a complete douchebag on top of the comments being distasteful.

The comments probably don’t go down well in many cases but looking like a drunk idiot and grabbing her arm etc just makes it all seem even more gross from her view.

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Yeah this is true, I’ve got some female mates that will react differently on sleazy type comments and how offended they are by them pending the attractiveness of the person that made the comments.

Basically it’s often true, better looking people get away with more…

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How can this cost 840 pounds? :joy:

I travel regularly by Thalys train to Paris for work. Sometimes I get Premium seat return ticket for about € 200,- This is from Amsterdam to Paris!

How on Earth can you folk have to fork out 840 for travel within England :wenger:

Capitalism doing its wonders I see

And it’s one of the ugliest and most deprived areas in the entire country too.

I remember when I was young my parents tried to move us there we went up once and me and my siblings cried our eyes out.

It’s grotesque.

I saw that I was @ in this convo earlier, not sure where that post has gone but I can give my experience of being called chocolate before.

When I went to Greece last year on holiday with some friends, there was an Italian guy we came across on a night out who was speaking to me and the other girls (a mix of white, and 2 black girls (me and 1 other).

The guy picked out me and my other black friend to try and “compliment” by calling us chocolate this and chocolate that. He also said a bunch of other stuff that was outdated about women (like being in the kitchen etc.) He looked like he has a preference for black girls, but overall he came across as creepy and weird. He thought he was being complimentary but me (and my friend) were stunned that he was calling us chocolate so directly in front of our other friends, and his attempt at being friendly/flirty just made us uncomfortable.

I think the manner in which it is said and who says it can also play a part e.g. if a black guy does it, it may sound more playful and kindred but on the whole it sounds very objectifying about our skin colour

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@MissRedNL

Would it have mattered if he was good looking? Would you have perceived it differently?

When our older daughter was born we got a kid’s book where the baby’s family (they’re all black) keeps calling the kid their “little chocolate baby” which is something that I feel like is totally different than if I rolled up and started doing it.

It’s like an in-group/out-group thing for me.

Here is the problem it isn’t a group out group problem it’s just that society is so hang up on race now. So calling a black person chocolate can be seen as offensive which is perplexing as there are no negative connotation to chocolate. I keep saying it but it’s going to get to a point where people are going to afraid to talk black people because of the fear of being racist. How many drunk white women have called me chocolate it seems to be the go to thing to be endearing

Unless it’s those orangey ones in Roses. Wtf are they all about?!

I mean I think it’s a little weird and I def wouldn’t flirt like that right from the jump.

But I think it depends on the context and what you’re personally comfortable with. Maybe if a good looking lady flirted with you like that you’d like it but an angry old white man calling someone a “chocolate cnt” at a football match is def over the line.

And I don’t believe the hyperbole that folks are afraid to talk to black people. It just requires white folks to be more mindful and not presume what they’re saying is automatically okay. And given the history, especially in the USA, I think that’s a relatively small ask.