There’s a lack of world class coaches atm. Top 4 picks itsself. 5th could be many…
Pep
Klopp
Tuchel
Conte
I think the coaches that are the most highly rated by the media are:
Arteta
Guardiola
Klopp
Tuchel
Whoever happens to be the spurs coach.
I would have
Guardiola
Tuchel
Klopp
Conte
Pochettino.
These are the managers that we could have had and that I wanted at the club when we were looking to replace Wenger or Emery.
I would also have Rodgers close to that list, although I know he isn’t everyone’s favourite.
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It’s what he does with his resources though his teams are just so dominant that they make opponents look like a little league team that can’t get out of their own half.
I truly believe if Pep went to United in 2016 instead of City, then it would be United who’d have a couple more league titles by now.
I used to be highly critical of Pep, but this season has just convinced me of how good the guy is.
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Kloop > Guardiola
Klopp can do it with the likes of Milner, Henderson, Matip, Wijnaldum, Origi, etc.
Pep is excellent with great players but he won’t be able to do what Klopp did with reduced resources
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yeah he only needed a world class front 3 on the best form of their lives at the same time, the best defender in the world, a solid defensive midfielder and one of the top 3 keepers in the world to win things with.
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Hard to say. City had a much better squad, were 2 seasons removed from being league winners and spent £200m more than United have in that period.
He inherited a squad with Silva, KDB, Aguero, Toure, Fernandinho, Kompany, Stones. Compare that to what United had back then who’s best players were probably Mata and Martial. It’s a big gap to start with
He made some absolute shocking big money signings but it didn’t matter because he could replace them with better. No other manager has that luxury.
I don’t think anyone considered any of them world class before Klopp coached them. There’s also a historic patern of players looking world or top class under Klopp, see Gotze, Kagawa and Sahin, then looking bang average under other managers
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I think the best question should
Best manager with a mega rich oil owner .
Chelsea- nothing without oil money
Man City - nothing without oil money
Man U - Liverpool- Arsenal- have done very poorly since the oil owners came into the game .
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Oil clubs have been around now for what… 2 decades? Chelsea?
We can stop the excuse of oil rich clubs, because clubs like Liverpool and others can beat them and win the league and Champions League if managed by a proper coach / manager. Which is what makes Klopp so good.
I do agree Klopp is a better manager than Guardiola since there is a discrepancy in budget. And as @Trion pointed out to win the CL and the PL with the likes of Henderson, Milner, Origi and Wijnaldum. Well, that is quite remarkable.
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The stars had to absolutely align for Liverpool though, not to mention their investment was insanely well planned to the point you could say lucky. The Coutinho money still blows my mind.
On the other hand City completely own the domestic scene and Chelsea go through players and managers like tissue paper until they shit house their way to finals.
If spending restrictions we’re in place for these two clubs the game and especially the domestic scene would be so much better, but I can’t even really blame them when they just want to game a corrupt system to their advantage - I’d do the same. Though I could absolutely have done without the false rhetoric they displayed in regard to ESL.
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I highly doubt any of us considered Mane-Firmino-Salah to be a world class set of players.
And nevertheless those are still reduced resources compared to the amount City paid for their defenders alone.
If City were not Klopp rivals, Klopp wouldn’t even need some of these expensive players.
If Klopp was competing with a non steroid clubs, he would have spent a lot less and performed at same level. Hand Guardiola same sete of player Klopp had and he won’t be able to replicate his City football.
It’s a very F1 esque situation with Guardiola.
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Liverpool and Klopp’s geggenpress teams are kind the exception to the rule though. They run out of their skin for 2-4 years and then run out of steam, breakdown and return to the mean. Simply put it doesn’t seem sustainable.
The other thing is they hit the jackpot with the Countinho sale
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Undoubtedly the money has helped Pep to execute his style and tactics. Thing is though he delivers football into new dimensions and continually reinvents with slight variations. He’s without doubt English footballs best ever coach. Never wanted to say that but he’s proved that too me at least.
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That’s true, we can see the steam ran out this season for them. But, not sure if it is because of the system or because of the success. It is difficult to find any team, including Guardiola’s City to dominate consecutive years at the highest level.
Maybe the only time it happened was young Messi Barcelona under Guardiola, but that was perhaps also a combination of luck in having arguably some of the most talented ensemble of players (peak Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Messi, Eto’o etc.) that ever graced the pitch.
He is undoubtedly one of the best. However, I would like to see him perform with a club with less convenience.
Also, as for best coach ever in English football. No mate, sorry. That is and probably will be for the next decades: Red Nose Ferguson.
And the same thing happened for Dortmund when Klopp lost that job. The pragmatic judgement would be to let him re-build
I suppose Barce’s tica taca didn’t need the same level of intensity as geggenpress because the possession play tires the opposition out while letting your team rest. And I suppose to a degree City manage that similarly. In both instances he needed the players to be both top level of pressing ability and top level technically. Where as geggenpress allows less technically skilled players who all have defined fluid roles.
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What about Mahrez, Bernardo, Foden, Gundogan etc? Quality players but have all flourished massively under the guidance of Pep. KdB aside, they don’t have heaps superstars in isolation tbh. Not any more than 2018-2020 Liverpool.
@arsenescoatmaker Yeah you can never have a level playing field of resources so it makes it hard to gauge, it’s all subjective, I think Pep’s last 4 seasons are worthy to be considered the best, especially if he adds the CL to his name. Chelsea and United have similar wage bills and transfer spending over the last 5ish years, no?
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I guess you can’t say for sure if Pep is the best with a team with limited resources/talent cause he’s never proven that.
But if you have lots of money, he’s on a different level to anyone and will get the absolute maximum out of nearly every player, and win heaps of trophies in a dominant style. I mean if Pep had been at Barca/Madrid/PSG/Chelsea since 2016 they’re the best team in the world.
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Mahrez was player of the season in PL before joining City. Gundogan was always a quality player who was only suppressed because of injuries.
The fact that they have someone like Mahrez as their backup winger & Gundogan their backup midfielder before they established themselves as first choice, says it all really.
Sterling or Sane need rest, Mahrez steps in & quality is not affected.
Bernardo, De Bruyne or Silva need rest, Gundogan steps in…
Who was/is backup for Mane or Salah at Liverpool? Who could step in for Salah & perform equivalently?
Overall squad City is far deeper, after with that. Starting 11’s/sheer superstar talent I don’t think there’s much in it though. And then factor in that Liverpool didn’t have injuries when they won the league and the squad depth didn’t really come into it.
Mahrez v Salah
Jesus v Firmino
Foden/Sterling v Mane
KdB v Wijnaljum
Gundogan v Henderson
Rodri v Fabinho
Walker v Trent
Cancelo v Robbo
Dias v VVD
Stones v Gomez
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Modified some to show how depth really balances out any individual position quality Liverpool possess.
Yes but the lack of depth came into picture season prior & current season. City are able to rotate & maintain the on field performance quality because of their deeper pockets.
Lets be honest, Pep has a massive advantage in terms of squad quality as well as depth.