Brexit

Yeah lets tell a developing nation that they have to be carbon free :slight_smile:

It’s more, ā€˜lets fuck our industrial base for green targets, then import very not green shit anyways’

What a shit deal.

Terrible.

Corbyn would never have done this.

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The terms of the India UK trade deal are objectively good for the UK. I don’t get the hysteria over transfer workers not paying NI when we have similar agreements with other developing nations.

The amount of indian workers transferred is still subject to visa and migration controls which are getting harshers.

I’m afraid this is another win for Brexit Blightly !

What were the other Brexit wins?

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You’ve asked a similar question before, I haven’t responded comprehensively because I’ve responded directly to you on the point and to others on this thread and I’m not sure if you’re asking in honest good faith tbh.

Very much feels like you have your own views on Brexit generally, and that’s ok. Nothing I say on the topic will impact you.

I’ve mentioned plenty of times on this very thread it depends on your subjective personal circumstances and ideological/political views.

If you’re a constitutional nationalist, the independence aspect of Brexit is very real and a massive win for restoring the sovereignty of Parliament and efficacy of British democratic consent both ideologically and practically.

Other outcomes are being able to an execute an independent trade programme based on a trade policy dictated by the electorate and formulate by whitehall, this allows us the flexibility to agree trade deal and economic agreements quicker tailored to the UK’s own economy rather than 27 other or the export concerns of Germany and France, as we’ve seen recently.

Clearly we do not need to part of bloc to negotiate mutually beneficial with trade and economic deals other major economies.

UK no longer has any liability for common debt generated via issuance of eurobonds of which repayment isnt factored into the EU budget.

If your a pan European confederate or a small business which exports a more than nominal % of its goods to the EU, I can see how you wouldn’t regard formal separation from the EU, single market or any of the things I’ve detailed above as a good things or a ā€œwinā€. Do you get my guist?

Also, given your expertise on the subject, what do you think are the disadvantages of Brexit? Just so I can see that you’re an intelligent pragmatist rather than one of the millions being brainwashed by Farage and the tabloid press.

My posting history should tell you this lol. I’m too self aware to be deluded by the tabloid press in the UK and the likes of grifters like Farage.

I’m very familiar with the disadvantages, I voted remain and campaigned in limited capacity for remain solely because the economic damage I knew leaving would cause to the UK, particularly in the short term. I’m hyper critcal of any polictical positions I hold, I’d say the biggest disadvantages of Brexit are:

1, We’re being led by a highly diminished and incompetent British political class. We delgated alot of areas to EU institutions which gave alot cover to politicians and civil servants. Taking control means taling accountability, which alot of the political class aren’t really up to scratch.

For example BJ, despite his creditials, failed to deregulate, diverge and repeal EU statues and legislation in UK books and failed to really separate from the EU wrt STEM and Pharma.

The UK doesn’t even have the operational capacity to make seriously gains in AI even if do did diverge.

Labour and Rachel Reeves have turned the UK into a highly unappealing place to invest capital and live for business and individuals when we should be striving for a lower tax burden for business and capital gains generally.

2, There has been roughly 20% - 35% decrease in UK goods exports to the EU (due to covid, the EUs punitive and pedantic customs checks) resulting in a decrease in Treasury receipts from everything UK exports to the EU touched.

Obviously, Brexit has depressed trade between the UK and EU particularly hurting UK based exporters. If you believe in free trade and are a fiscal hawk like myself these aren’t good things. Let’s see the outcome of Starmer’s EU reset and Summit later this month.

Simply maths means the Treasury had lost tax revenue when compared to the direct savings of no longer making membership contributions.

3, Similar to above, the fishing industry was outright lied to by BJ and Farage, there hasn’t been a revival of the industry or coastal towns through brexit as promised. Even at the time in 2016, I remember arguing about why coastal communities were so in favour of Brexit when they’d be cutting themselves off from their biggest export market where TOE freshness really matters. It may be the case the UK sacrifices control of waters for reduction of barriers to the EU market which was the industry’s initial starting point :man_shrugging:

4, France (Macron) has the political influence within the EU to act in punitive manner towards the UK as we’ve seen as it relates to European defence, pharmaceuticals and irregular migration.

5, The loss of FOM (not generally but in the context of the higher education sector). The UK higher education sector is about to crash due to a variety of issue but, in part because migration of people from the EU is depressed because of Brexit. Universities relied heavily on milking those students and unless there some youth movement scheme many institutions will tank by 2030 (not something I’m personally against tbh)

6, Trade. Its just a hard fact that the FTAs we have agreed hasn’t compensated for the loss in UK exports to the EU (yet). In the economic deals with India and USA we’ve agreed tariff based trade still exists, it takes time for trading relationship takes time to fully mature. Political concerns seemingly override free trade for alot of major nations