Your message is clear and probably you are with me without to know that: anyone can have a positive or bad opinion about manager, players and the club… but social network and fake shows like AFTV have ruined and will ruin everything.
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Wenger is obviously responsible for the current high standards, but because of the fact that he can’t deliver anymore, we should just lower standards and not care?
Who said that?
You might not have said it outright, but your post sure enough implies it.
Being an ol’fart i remember watching those players at Highbury and at away games .
And one of the biggest differences between those players and this crop was the fact they pulled on that Arsenal shirt and they were more determined, harder players , physically stronger and they didn’t give up .
Sammy Nelson , Brian Talbot , Geordie Armstrong and Frank McClintock , none of them let their heads down .they battled physically . It’s proved that if you go at this Arsenal team like that you’ll get a victory.
One frustrating team to support .
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I would like to pay many money to know if the old Arsenal fans hated the managers and the players during the 1980 when Arsenal finished the season outside the top 6 many times, didn’t won the league for 19 years in a row, didn’t won the FA Cup for 15 years in a row.
Had Neill, Don Howe and Bertie Mee received the same abuses?
Had Pat Rice, Frank McLintock, Peter Storey, George Graham, Charlie George, Liam Brady, George Armstrong, Frank Stapleton etc… received the same abuses for many years without a single trophy?
[/quote]It was completely different then.
Players were more loyal and didn’t move around as much.
There were very few foreign players and most players earned a few hundred pounds a week.
Also the best team in the seventies and eighties were Liverpool and no one else were close.
I can remember Graham getting a lot of abuse from the North Bank for not spending and I can also remember a lot of abuse because of our boring style of football but I can never remember the same manager repeating the same mistakes, picking the same uninspiring players for so long, because they were usually sacked for not doing their job properly.
Players now earn more money in a week than most normal people do in a few years, and that goes for Wenger as well, so if they can’t take a bit of criticism for not doing the job properly, from the supporters who pay them their vast wages, then either get another job or put up with it.
Am i imagining it that Terry Neill was basically forced out by the fans? Can’t remember what I read or when about that.
I don’t think it’s that. I joined this forum in January 2012 (I think) and at that time it was probably something like 20% Wenger out and 80% Wenger in or don’t really mind (at that time I was 100% Wenger in btw) and this was a long time into the internet/twitter culture. Someone earlier mentioned that about 2 years ago it went 50/50 and I’d probably agree with that and now it’s probably 20/80 the other way.
I honestly don’t know anyone in the real world that supports Arsenal that doesn’t think Wenger is finished and it’s nothing to do with twitter or the internet, it’s to do with football matches and repeated mistakes. If Conte was our manager for 2.5 years and failing then fans would want him gone (you can see now some Liverpool fans starting to turn on Klopp already) so why wouldn’t fans be unhappy for Wenger and at least 5 years of failings.
A lot of people that want him gone in 2017 are the people that wanted him gone in 2013 so they have had extra years of building that resentment. Earlier today you made this post:
So imagine how you would feel, if for 4 years, these 6 players started every Arsenal game and you watched them all? No matter the game, you would see Ramsey take a shot and hit row-Z and every game you would see Coquelin fail to make a pass and every game see Chamberlain dribble into a fullback but none of them ever get be replaced? Even though they were good talents once you can see those players have no potential anymore and won’t improve yet they get a new contract every 2 years? That’s how many fans feel about Wenger.
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We have only been within a single figure margin of the eventual champion twice since we last won it in 2004. The fact we have not been close in the last 3 years despite having the likes of Ozil, Sanchez, Kos & Bellerin etc suggests Wenger is running out of excuses.
He bought in some decent players and we had a lot of fairly big name players but we never really challenged for the League, but did well in the FA Cup and the EUFA Cup.
I think he was sacked because we were in the bottom half of the League and not playing that well.
He was a fairly good manager but made a few signings that didn’t work out and our form meant we weren’t going to get anywhere near a top four place.
Gary Neville is on fire against Piers Morgan and AFFTV. I love him 
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Neville is right to point at it being uncomfortable to want to move the long-serving Wenger on in this era of stupidity, when you can win an Fa Cup/league/promotion and then be out of a job 9 months later.
But our situation is truly unique and Wenger is that last remnant of the previous century, where a manager’s tenure actually was measured in number of years rather than number of months. Once he goes it will be completely the norm across all clubs for fans to start moaning about a manager in the short term if he falls even slightly short of whatever that club’s expectations are.
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Redcafe poster:
He was still blindly backing Moyes well after it became obvious he was completely out of his depth at Utd too
He seems to think it’s never ever the right decision to sack a manager no matter what. Playing under Fergie for 20 years appears to have clouded his judgement, Fergie was a complete one off freak to combine that longevity with sustained success.
So yeah Neville’s talking nonsense.
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Moyes didnt get a fair crack of the whip though. It was reported he was targeted from day one by certain United staff and players didn’t respect him from the off. His statistics were comparable to the managers that followed him too.
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Although sacking moyes has hardly solved utds problems has it?
I agree but isn’t that part of being out of his depth though? He lacked the stature or record to garner respect even with the endorsement of SAF.
Man management is one of the main things I’m worried about post Wenger.
lol you really suggesting that sacking Moyes was the wrong decision?
The wrong decision wasn’t sacking Moyes, it was hiring him in the first place, and then hiring van Gaal as his replacement. And then hiring Mourinho as his replacement. 
I dont remember Moyes being that bad tbh. But then i dont really remember much of his time at united. 
It’s David Moyes…he was incredibly lucky to have that job in the first place, it was the definition of a bad hire.
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