I wasn’t around in the 80’s but I’d like to think that Arsenal fans had context and standards back then too.
I don’t understand this fascination with hailing Ramsey as some sort of monumental player in our recent history. If anything he’s more of a microcosm in that he’s forgettable and usually couldn’t hack it when the going got tough.
If Arsenal won 2 FA Cups in the 80s and it was the same scorer in both, you can rest assured he’d be considered a legend.
I’ll have to take your word for it but like I say context is everything. Contextually in the here and now what Ramsey done wasn’t that special. How many people praised Arteta for coming in and winning the FA Cup instantly? Same kind of the thing.
Yes the favour of the FA Cup has fallen and the expectations for this club are higher but I really don’t see it like we won those trophies just because of Ramsey, or Arteta for that matter. Auba last year absolutely. Even then he’s not legend status for me either.
I am not sure if this is shifting goal post or not.
My argument is, if we consider Henry and Bergkamp as Arsenal legend… do you think Ramsey is on par with them, standing shoulder to shoulder side by side?
Put like that the only logical answer is fuck no.
I am not trying to discredit Ramsey… it is just… Legends don’t come cheap.
I don’t think he is on the same status of Henry and Bergkamp… so, he is not Arsenal legend.
Oh, I agree. It’s a very tough argument to be had.
It’s like the “world class” argument all over again.
That’s the fun part to argue/discuss… 
If we were to list Arsenal legends as a definitive strata of ex players then those you’ve mentioned would come into it. (Henry, Bergkamp and a whole host of others from the echelons of time)
It’s debatable whether Ramsey falls into that category or the strata just below ‘Legend’ (which is the ‘He was a Bloody Good Servant for us!’ group of players)
I’d probably use the word “hero” to describe Ramsey.
My understanding is, legend >> hero
Don’t even care about this debate about Ramsey being a legend or not. One of the most forgettable players we’ve ever had and completely boring.
Good thing big dick Wenger recognized this quickly and didn’t continue to persist with him for nearly 10 years
He costed us 5m or something ridiculous, was right up our alley at the time perfect for keeping us in the mix of top 4 
I agree, I think Ramsey was underrated personally but many don’t agree
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Does Ramsey belong in the same breath as Thierry, Adams and Bergkamp? I think not.
A fan favourite, a cult hero, sure. But he isn’t a hall of famer.
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Y’all already know how I feel about Ramsey. I’d only take him back on loan with his wages heavily subsidised.
Only play Ramsey once a week in a ‘load management’ type setting. Maybe priorities those away games as Ramsey was typically one of our better performers in those fixtures. You can’t play him 2/3 times a week.