So can people tell me what they make of my Partner then please?
He’s a law obeying, tax paying, degree holding proud member of the travelling community. How did he do it if they’re all the same? How does he know so many others exactly like him. Am i just supposed to tell him, sorry but some of the people who belong to the same Ethnic group as you misbehave therfore society thinks your scum and that’s tough but you’ll just have to deal with it.
Sucicide rates among Travellers are seven times higher than the settled community. That increases to eleven times when you look at just Traveller men and higher even still when you break it down to men below 40. That’s a societal problem that society just seems to want to ignore. I presume we don’t have any complete cunts on here who consider those stats a good thing…
Disclaimer: I’m talking more about Gypsies than Travellers. I’ve never met or spoken to a traveller so don’t really have much of an opinion on them compared to your typical European “romani gypsy”, with whom I’ve had plenty of experiences.
I don’t totally know the difference but get the feeling that Travellers are more “Irish/British White” than Gypsies are, who tend to originate from Romania but with ethnic origins from Western India (like 600 years ago).
I would agree with you if we were referring to a peoples like Polish, Hungarian, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese etc. that have much more in common in their societal structure with western groups than gypsies.
Gypsies literally see themselves as a people aside, and that the laws of civilised society don’t apply to them because they consider themselves so different.
I’ve never met a gypsy lawyer, shopkeeper, hairdresser, engineer. I’ve only ever seen gypsies begging on the street or being detained by the police/shop security. I’ve met plenty of Vietnamese/Polish/Indian etc. with real jobs that send their kids to school and are a valued member of society.
Gypsies don’t want to integrate and just see settled societies as a resource to be exploited and taken advantage of to their own benefit. It’s not like we deny them the opportunity. If they’re willing to get normal jobs, pay taxes, send their children to school, stop selling their daughters to each other, then of course they’d be able to integrate just like millions of other immigrants have done across Europe.
The problem is that they don’t want to and have absolutely no interest in doing so - and that’s why so many people have that viewpoint of them.
You use your opinion of the Muslim kids bullying you in school - but I imagine you probably had loads of positive interactions with other Muslims. Colleagues, local business owners, mates from uni etc. so you at least have had some positive interaction with them. Same goes for me.
I’ve never had a positive interaction with gypsies because they NEVER want to interact with me unless it’s to beg for something or try to knick something. I’ve never had a gypsy colleague, or had a gypsy lawyer or delivery driver. My local off license is owned by an Indian dude, not a gypsy. They’ve never provided me any kind of service or kindness.
When I was in school in Spain, there was a gypsy community nearby where the kids would regularly sneak into our school and steal our sports equipment and start fights with us. They’d also jump us and mug us on the way home from school, and at one point admin had to ban us kids from walking home through a specific area because it got so bad. My mum had her bag knicked straight from out of her hands on two different occasions. I’ve had one try and pick pocket me. Like, literally no positive interactions in my life because they have no interest in having positive interactions with us at all.
There’s a great BBC documentary that gives a lot of insight into gypsy culture - Gypsy Child Thieves. It aired like 7 years ago, but it was really fascinating and gave a lot of insight into how gypsies view themselves superior to non-gypsies and just see us as a source of income. It’s set in Madrid (Spain has a big problem, as I mentioned up above).
Also how can you successfully co-exist with a sub-culture/culture that doesn’t want to contribute or play by the rules? As much as some people might dislike gays or muslims, they work and play an important role in society - their prejudice is often based on religious bias and unfounded.
Gypsies do not contribute, they don’t have a positive impact on the economic eco-system. I can at least see where the negativity towards gypsies comes from, and to be honest I think it’s warranted because they completely bring it on themselves by their behaviour and inherent reluctance to have anything to do with general society.
The blame does not fall on us to fail to integrate gypsies, in the way perhaps (for example) it does with Danes not making enough of an effort to integrate the Turkish and Pakistani immigrants in the 60s and 70s. Those immigrants came to work, and were based there permanently and lived in Danish neighbourhoods. They ticked boxes and met criteria that meant they deserved to be welcomed with open arms, unlike the gypsy populations across Europe.
Who said they were all they same?
As I said before I’ve seen other travellers that come through, who leave there rubbish bagged up and left by the side of the road and there is very little mess or disruption.
But the travellers that come through that are much larger in numbers are completely anti social.
In this thread i’d say that so far @Cristo has said that but i wasn’t talking about on here, i’m talking about society. This is what society thinks. You only need to read the comment section of any article about them to get a sense of that.
I mean I take it your partner no longer travels around in a caravan and has therefore moved away from the travellor lifestyle. From my knowledge of travellors, they don’t usually finish school, so he’d be an exception in being a graduate. Although from what you’re saying, perhaps that’s a stereotype. Perhaps he had parents who were ambitious or perhaps being a sexuality his culture is discriminatory towards, he felt like wanted to get away from it.
Shocking that suicide rates are 7 times higher in their community
I went out the house for the first time in a little while yesterday, had to pop something in the postbox for the other half, had an encounter like this with a cyclist.
Can see her way down the road riding on the pavement, the naive part of me hopes she might get onto the road to do something in recognition of social distancing and the obvious fact she’s a fucking cyclist on the fucking pavement.
She doesn’t. So I step out into the road and walk down the middle of it, she cycles by and looks towards me, so I say “can you ride your bike on the road and not the pavement?” to which she replies, as whizzing by, “one way street, sorry”
Like any reasonable person I can’t help but turn and shout “CYCLE DOWN A DIFFERENT FUCKING ROAD THEN”, and then people nearby (including neighbours) look at me, the angry man stood in the middle of the road wearing a llama print mask shouting at a random person, as if I’m the strange one.
I’m sure the more I say the more random it’ll be haha.
So it was her birthday party and she was (still is I guess) a good friend of one of the nurses at a hospital my girlfriend worked in at the time. So out of some weird way the nurse had permission to bring a few plus one sort of things and she picked my girlfriend amongst her cherry pick. Then it filtered down to my giving me the authority to go.
I didn’t get much exposure to Kay other than a handshake and a thank you for coming. I think to be fair she had more interesting people she wanted to spend her day with and she definitely had a ‘who and why the hell are these lot here? They seem nice though’ vibe to her.
My girlfriend for a low profile person seems to be that person who gets to somehow get exposure to these people. Like her best friend is Harry Kane’s next door neighbour too lol.
