It was both.
I have no issues with 2 yellow cards in X time period, but I wholly disagree with 2 yellows in the same passage of play.
The yellow card is supposed to be a warning. Thereâs no warning if youâre only shown the yellow card at the point youâre sent off!
Are the players supposed to have to start refereeing themselves in their mind while theyâre playing - to decide if their foul was bad enough to be a yellow, and therefore whether or not they can safely attempt another challenge? Itâs ridiculous.
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Sure, but at the same time, should players not be penalised for play that is against the rules? And should the opposing team not be allowed to have advantage played for them if the situation suits?
Itâs a unique situation but if you only give a card for one piece of foul play, then you have to be okay with a player being able to foul multiple times in one passage of play and only being carded once regardless of whether any of the other fouls were worthy of a card.
Yes but penalisation can come in different forms and what the offences were matter most if youâre going to punish them to the highest degree.
As a reminder, hereâs the video.
https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1492048106266968071
We only have one incident where this happened that i can recall so lets deal with this one. There isnât nearly enough wrong here to warrant a sending off.
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Iâd say 2 big games, mate. Man City at home (a win here would be a real shot in the arm) and then the away leg at Newcastle a few days later. Win both of those and then the players have a 10 day break (Dubai! 
) where everything could potentially start looking rosier.
Didnât expected it to, but seeing this still makes me furious.
Especially now, knowing what this same ref did yesterday. Corrupt cunt he is.
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In this case, we are talking about two yellow card offences.
Potential yellow card offences. Both routinely go unpunished in the game.
Sure, but I wasnât debating whether or not any specific offences were yellow cards, rather that Iâm okay with two being given for two worthy incidents regardless of the timing (with a sidenote that there is an issue with consistency).
You cannot give two yellow cards to the same player in the same passage of play. It defies logic as well as fairness. It is common sense and no fair and unbiased referee has ever done it.
If a player is fouled in the pen area but the ref waves advantage because another player is through on an empty goal, and that other player gets fouled as well, is it ok to give 2 penalties?
If a player is sent off and swears at the ref on his way out, can you give him a second red card?
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Neither of those are comparable examples and Iâm sure you know that.
However, in the first example, you could absolutely give cards for both fouls. What happens next in any given situation doesnât mean a previous piece of foul play is invalidated.
The second one is not even worth talking about in a serious fashion.
Do you believe refs should only punish a player once if they commit two separate yellow card offences in one sequence? Is there a rule in the laws of the game that says this? If you want to take such a stance, you have to accept that you wish for players to be able to commit certain offences and not receive punishment.
Not at all. You take each situation on its own merits and I struggle greatly to come up with two possible yellow card offences that could occur in the same passage of play, like in that situation above, that should lead to a sending off.
Most yellow offences usually end up with the player on the ground so the situation canât occur. Just because its possible doesnât mean its correct to dish out the full punishment.
Absolutely, yes. The rules say so:
âWhere two separate cautionable offences are committed (even in close proximity), they should result in two cautions, for example if a player enters the field of play without the required permission and commits a reckless tackle or stops a promising attack with a foul/handball, etc.â
Dont be a letter of the law cunt Bavin.
I definitely wouldnât send a player off in those circumstances outlined there.
Lol Iâm just saying that itâs not one of the most bothersome refereeing incidents for me personally, particularly considering some of the ones we have had this season.
Iâm in favour of another card similar to the sin bin we have in rugby because I think some tactical fouls sit in between yellow and red and the Martinelli incident is one where that might be more suited.
But football is also a dinosaur sport so we will likely never see such a change.
Iâll agree with that
I donât. Can you explain why they are not comparable?
in football, and some other sports, a small, yellow card that is shown to a player by the referee (= the official who is responsible for making certain the rules are followed) as a warning that the player has not obeyed a rule, and that they will be punished if it happens again:
A yellow card acts as a warning and is also known as a caution
In football or rugby, if a player is shown the yellow card, the referee holds up a yellow card to indicate that the player has broken the rules, and that if they do so again, they will be ordered to leave the pitch.
I can go on. Yellow cards are warnings. If you fail to warn a player that they will receive a yellow card for a tackle, which is purely subjective and is at the discretion of the referee, you cannot send off that player for another tackle in the same passage of play. Again, that is common sense.
Thatâs a poor example because if a player enters the pitch without referee permission they are aware they are on a yellow as per the handbook and you can transfer the responsibility on them.
Tackling is subjective and if a ref makes a decision a tackle will be cautioned, they should warn the player first before sending them off for another tackle.
Footballers are well aware of the semantics of the rules of the game. And the semantics of fouls are entirely subjective. If you fail to warn players they have committed cautionable offenses and send them off, it is straightforward abuse of the powers of a referee.
Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.
I would urge you to carefully read this quote from the same rulebook you just quoted and figure out if Martinelly should have been cautioned twice for interfering with or stopping a promising attack.
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Iâd be fine with Martinelli getting two yellows in the same passage of play if that was something applied consistently. But not only is there no consistency, a player getting booked twice for separate offences in the same passage of play is something I have literally only ever seen happen once in almost thirty hears of watching football.
Sure, very easily. Because neither of them are in regard to two yellow card offences in the same sequence of play.
They act as warnings. There is no explicit requirement to warn the player and the piece I quoted clearly states that the time between offences is irrelevant.
Iâm not debating the accuracy of individual calls for each foul, Iâve been saying the entire time that I am okay with two cards in one sequence. You are welcome to think the referee is incorrect in his judgement of x or y incident being a foul. But that is a separate discussion.
You are, however, incorrect if you say this:
âYou cannot give two yellow cards to the same player in the same passage of play.â
If you want referees to apply some leniency or whatever, thatâs cool. I donât even disagree. If you want to say itâs inconsistent, cool, I agree.
But the rules clearly state you can give two yellow cards regardless of the time between incidents.