That comment is all kinds of wrong.
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I saw multiple videos, unclear whats happened but this guy has been part of BLM riots for a few weeks, then there was a video yesterday of loads of people smashing a car sales place and a gun shot going off. Then this kid is walking in the middle of the road and he gets charged by some people who bundle him to the ground and kick him so he shoots them off him and walks to the police surrendering.
All weird man. Wouldnât trust anything thatâs posted as its going to be used and manipulated like everything is on social media
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Fair caution there. He was arrested in connection with the shooting so weâll see where that leads.
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In what way? These guys are out there saying that they are protecting business from rioters and looters because the state and police are not out there stopping it. There is a big difference from protesting and rioting is there not? The state as well as that guy has blood on they hand
The reference here of 82 is to mass shootings that happened using legal weapons versus the 16 mass shootings using illegal weapons. This goes to the argument that tougher gun control laws could help prevent mass shootings. This is why guns are an issue, unlike other most other tools, they can kill far more people in an instant. Why any civilian would need an assult weapon is beyond me. Itâs ridiculous that eveyday people can purchase them.
No one said there isnât an issue with illegal weapons. Tackling it all at once wonât work. But doing nothing, not taking any steps in the legal ownership regulation is beyond stupid.
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Mass shootings with legal guns are low hanging fruit (82 in 40 years). If you count the number dead from all 82 it still will be dwarfed by the number killed by ilegal gun murders in any year in the last 40 years. Itâs insane to think the guns are the problem rather than people even those with that carry out violence with legal gun itâs still the person. If a criminal wants to carry out violence they will find away regardless of bans and laws.
Mass shootings is not murder for one; two you should give the stats for illegal gun murders versus legal murders in the same time period, I think that would make your argument more solid.
You have no statistics to back any of this up. Itâs also makes zero sense. Why would a criminal buy an illegal gun, if legal guns are far far easier to get.
Calls out my lack of evidence but provides none.
- One-third of gun deaths are homicides, and guns are used in more than 70% of all homicides.
Gun homicides are on the rose up 30% from 2014 to 2017. 11,008 > 14,542
51% of gun deaths are suicides
This is just 2017 studies
Question do you think that Those homicides are done with legal guns? When you can trace a legal gun why would a criminal use one?
The lack of common sense is outstanding:
- The backgrounds checks are linked to the FBI data systems (meaning they check who you are and your record)
- The legal gun can be traced to the buyer.
- Buying an illegal gun from another person is far easier, cheaper, quicker and doesnât link the firearm to purchaser ( canât be traced).
I mean why would a criminal get an illegal gun 
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No one is arguing that people donât kill people. But the tool used matters. Fists, knives and other objects donât have the same impact as guns do. Simple fact. Again, you have to start somewhere. I do think the US needs to do a better job dealing with the illegal sale of firearms, but that is far more complex and laws wonât fix that, tasks force and adequate allocation of funds will help curb it as much as possible.
Iâm not even arguing for a straight ban on guns, but better regulation. No need for the public to own assault rifles. If you youâre on the no fly list, then you should be on the no buy list. Require a license proving you know how to use the gun before you can own a gun. I have family and friends who hunt, and all have been trained, store their guns behind multiple locks far out of reach of kids (youâd be surprised how many do not lock up their guns) and only own the weapons needed for the particular type of hunting they do.
For anyone wanting to arguing that owning a gun can protect you, think again.
We are talking about how dealy a gun can be and how quickly it can kill many, hence looking at mass shootings. That link compares legal (82) vs illegal (16) - then 18 unknown and 1 that has some legal and possibly some illegal.
As for deaths being broken down using legal vs illegal guns, I donât know if those details even exist. Iâd definitley have to dig further. But consider how many gun deaths are attributed to suicide, Iâd say a significant number are by legally owned guns.
There are some interesting fact about it all. And like the above article, you can see which States have the highest death by guns and itâs often the States who love their guns.
But yeah, we donât need tighter regulations.
Frankly, donât tell me gun control wouldnât help. Iâve witnessed a shootout in front of my car. Iâve lost people I knew to gun violence in high school. Iâve has a gun pointed at me. Iâve also been trained to use and maintain a 9 mil, 12 gauge shot gun, m14, m16, 50 cal and 60 cal as part of my job in the military. After all that, I still have no desire to own a gun and wouldnât allow anyone to bring one into my house. Had a friend visit who carries a conceled weapon, he locked it up in his truck before coming into my home.
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I agree completely that guns need to be banned in this country. It wonât happen because the politics and gun lobby which is disgusting. I do think the police would have a much easier time doing their job if they werenât so jumpy about having a gun pulled on them all the time.
I also agree with the triplets about violent ppl figuring out ways to kill massive amounts of ppl tho. Thatâs why all the truck killings have been happening. Load a truck up with concrete and go on a killing rampage running ppl over. Itâs just really sad the world we live in, ppl will find a way.
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So true. America right now looks like itâs gone headlong down a rabbit hole of total insanity and I canât think of any bigger culprit than guns, and itâs a problem they simply cannot fix.
That guy who got shot 7 times in the back is a good example. Obviously the protestors are right that he didnât deserve to die, and yet the police probably had no real choice but to shoot him, the only way to stop this is to get rid of guns but they canât / wonât do that. Without a discussion on guns I donât see how this ends. Riots wonât stop until the shootings stop, the shootings wonât stop until the riots / crime ends. Is this too simplistic?
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Not sure about simplistic, but seems to me youâve set it up as a chicken and egg situation perhaps, when it seems quite clear to me at least that the shootings are the egg here. Without the shootings you donât get the riots, but the shootings are a happening regardless of whether there are riots.
Iâm leaving out the mention of crime, because crime wonât end, thatâs not possible. And cos obviously crime can be dealt with without shooting people like it is in other countries.
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I think it was simplistic for the reason you give, Iâve created a false chicken and egg scenario. The shootings do come first. But thatâs why the gun is the insoluble problem. How do you get the shootings to stop? A person resisting arrest / fighting back / going for a weapon cannot be dealt with in the same way as they would in the UK precisely because of the gun. You shoot or risk your life.
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This video for me says everything wrong with a country that allows gun ownership.
The guy did everything right and he was mindful; but even he slipped up while trying to grab his insurance from glove box. Cop immediately went on alert and move his hand towards his gun.
Nothing happened but itâs ridiculous how alert these cops have to be.
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Sports getting cancelled because of the shooting.
Moved on from the gesture of the knee and slogans now.
Things gaining pace and people going too have to take notice.
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Saw hockey teams refused to play bc. of this thing as well now.
Yeah, I know what you mean. In the instance that kicked this conversation off, the man being shot seven times by the officer, the question you have to ask imo is why the police didnât prevent the man from walking all the way round his car before opening the door and reaching/leaning in? Because once he is leaning in then there is a legitimate threat to the officers, because he could be reaching for a weapon and their life is potentially in danger, so I can understand why the officers would shoot him. In honesty, I have no idea what the guy was thinking in going to his car and reaching in like that when police are armed, because of course thereâs a very high chance they think youâre going for a weapon and you end up dead.
But the point here is absolutely that the officers should never have let it get to that stage. They know that if he reaches into his car theyâre likely going to have to shoot him if they donât want to risk getting shot by waiting to see if its a gun heâs grabbed. So they need to do everything to stop it ever getting to that point, and in this instance the bloke walked fairly slowly round his car to the driver side before opening and leaning in, so why the fuck didnât they do something before it got to the point where he became a potential threat?!
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