U.S. Politics

It’s fucking sadder then if that’s the case.

Look, the world can be a scary place. There’s a lot of uncertainty out there, a lot of sad stuff, bad stuff, scary stuff. Isn’t it easier to just imagine that all those things, all those bad, sad, scary things aren’t actually random but come from a specific group of people and if you just keep those people away you’ll be safe. I think that’s a lot of the appeal. It’s so much easier to live life that way, right?

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I hope he runs again :slight_smile:

Trump on the right, Sanders on the left were the reset candidates and they just exposed how corrupted and rotten both establishment parties are when their power is threatened by outsiders (who don’t tow the party line).

Part of their success was people simply being fed up with the corporate water carrying and lying for a living by these establishment hypocrites.

My dream scenario is for Trump to be arrested, put in jail, and then from there run for the presidency :slight_smile:

Orange Mandela :rofl:

Orange jumpsuit, a tan, and no stylist to sort his hair out.

It would be glorious

Is that possible? I don’t know, but I’d have thought that an ex-con would be out of the running.

You can, absolutely. There are only three requirements for a US citizen being able to run for the presidency.

  • 35 years of age or older;
  • A natural born citizen of the United States (or a citizen of one of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution); and,
  • Fourteen years a resident of the United States

I think I’ve even heard of Senators serving while incarcerated

Depends on the crime. These crimes he is currently being investigated for include disqualification from running for office.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3595839-can-trump-be-disqualified-from-running-for-president/amp/

Wow! We live and learn, eh.

I think there will be lots of arguments about it, but I believe that ultimately the only thing that matters when it comes to the presidency, is the Constitution.

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The ones complaining about loan forgiveness for tens of millions of Americans never seem to have a problem with the yearly 700-800 billion dollar hand outs to war profiteers.

The problem with handouts for things like student loans IMO, is that you create a society who expect the handouts.

I would rather handouts for critical things like food, medical, shelter, etc. for people unable to provide for themselves

No one is forced to take out a loan, it is a choice. Many people manage to have relatively successful lives and others like myself worked nights and weekends throughout my studies to not have any loans.

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Education shouldn’t be saddling people with debt in the first place.

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Your ignoring the fact that education is a necessity for any economic stability and because of that the finance industry uses it to entrap young people who do not have another path to anything beyond low wage work.

Ask yourself, would you be ok with financializing primary/elementary education? Should kindergarten be so expensive so as to force parents to have no choice but to take out loans at outrageous interest rates?

The moral hazard argument is a fallacy. Money is almost never dispensed directly to poor and working people in the U.S. but when it is it stimulates the economy.

Conversely, money is almost always handed out to the wealthiest among us who store it in offshore accounts or use it to buy back stocks.

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Yes.

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OK but we are not talking about primary or secondary education. We are talking about tertiary education.

and tertiary education is vital - I agree. But there there are bursaries/scholarships and grants to fulfil some of that.

Education whilst helping more broadly is for self advancement. Someone has to bear the cost for that advancement, if not the student, then the tax payer.

I grew up in South Africa, tertiary education was expensive relative to other costs. Unemployment levels meant tertiary education was vital for almost all jobs, even menial. A loan that would ultimately be forgiven would gave been welcome obviously no one wants to pay for something if they don’t have to. I was the first person in my family to go to university and I had to work to make that possible. Seems like it is too easy to say everyone has a right to free education to better themselves when it isn’t free, someone somewhere has to pay for it.