U.S. Politics

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This research paper has about 2% for actual medical reasons

Rape and incest

Another article that goes through the data.

You opened your mouth way to quick as per usual

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Your Google skills are elite I must say.

At least one of us is good at something :man_shrugging:t5:

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:rofl::rofl:

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What? It says the complication rate after having an abortion is 2%.

The paper isn’t even about why people have abortions. It’s in the top section:

Objectives:

  • Describe the history and physical exam findings of abortion complications.

  • Review the evaluation of patients that have abortion complications.

  • Outline the treatment of patients with abortion complications.

  • Summarize the importance of communication and coordination amongst the interprofessional team to enhance the care of patients with abortion complications.

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Again, let’s not let facts enter the equation. :slight_smile:

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What’s your analysis on the other papers??

Well it looks like the USA Today article is citing the same data as that last paper.

My issue with that last paper is it offers all these stats from different states and each state has different categories people can choose from. There’s no uniformity in the reporting.

Bottom line is that it’s absolutely nobody’s business and certainly not any man’s business if someone doesn’t want to carry a baby.

Ahh so your position is that it doesn’t matter reason kill the unborn child if you feel like it inconveniences you.

If that’s your position that you can’t argue against people the opposite side of the argument to you.

You make it sound like girls have a to do list like “hair appointment, pick up milk and bread, get abortion, go to the gym.”

I can assure you, abortions are absolutely not “convenient” to any one. And if you think banning them will prevent them then you are much mistaken.

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Does it sound like that or is that your interpretation???

Again nobody is banning anything, the states get to decided how much or lack there of restriction they have.

The states are banning abortion though.

We’re not talking about a ban on types of procedures or bans on “elective” third trimester abortions. States are banning abortions period.

We can debate the finer points of where regulations or restrictions could or should exist (i.e.: safe procedures, licensing and training for medical professionals).

And this whole “unborn children” thing is a pretty common right wing talking point for me. I’d give it more weight if the party pushing that argument actually gave a shit about creating an infrastructure to support those children when they’re born. They care more about the potential life of a child than an actual living child.

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If it’s not an unborn child then what is it?? There are many infrastructure set up to help mothers and children, it’s left wing ideologues that keep pushing the narrative that there isn’t, why do think people angry over roe are burning down and attacking pregnancy centres in America? In the U.K. we have plenty of government schemes relating to parenting.

Let’s get one thing straight it’s not a potential life it is a life, if it wasn’t then it would develop at all, plus you redefining what life is for humans to fit a narrative, since you would a single cell organism is “alive”

And ironically, they tend to be in favour of capital punishment too.

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Death to unborn children but not for murders :joy: nice juxtaposition my friend. I guess the only life people value are the ones that are outside of the womb

No, just saying one cannot claim to be pro life, and also pro capital punishment.

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I disagree that there is appropriate help for parents. There are many living in poverty who cannot afford to feed their children. And that’s also assuming these women keep the babies they’re being forced to birth. The adoption system is already overburdened with more children in it than families who want to adopt. Wonder if many of these people who want to ban abortion are willing to adopt these children. My guess is that once the baby is born they give zero fucks.

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Pro-life for the right of the innocent to be born is that hard a position??