Theo Walcott

?? He was a starter in those seasons, there’s no skew there.

He really wasn’t. I recall Wenger benching him for a period when he was recovering from fitness and people were saying it was because of the contract, then we found out he was just recovering from an injury, and he was a nailed on starter the rest of the season.

From 10-14 he was starting when he was fit.

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You’re forgetting Theo was benched for much of the start of 12/13 partly because he wasn’t signing a new contract. He started 24 games that season and came off the bench 8 times

His goals/assists per minutes off the bench is 1 every 34 minutes.

He also got subbed off numerous times, which pushes his goals/assists stats upwards. Because if he stayed on the pitch when tired he’s very unlikely to score/assist plus he’d play more minutes.

Skewed Stats

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Where do you see that?

You can see it on whoscored (games off the bench are in brackets) and I also checked transmarkt for the goals/assists per minutes off the bench.

Yeah, I get that, but where do you get the minutes played off the bench vs as a starter?

Transfermarkt

Yeah, I’m still not seeing that. Can you link me?

It worked best when Walcott started and Giroud was brought on as an impact sub. Problem is people took Giroud’s late goals as making a bigger impression than Walcott per minute and argued that he should therefore be starting.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/theo-walcott/leistungsdaten/spieler/33713/saison/2012/wettbewerb/GB1

So did you literally just make up that 34 number, lol? Cause it’s actually 49.25, which, mind, by transfermarkts calculations which are kinder and give him 12 assists, leaving his tally as a starter then at: 94.91, which is actually better than the one I gave from whoscored (12-13: npgoal or assist every 95.25 min).

So literally back where we started :man_facepalming:

And the season went exactly how I said, he started off the season coming off the bench and with sketchy fitness until being a nailed on starter for the rest, he played more than 84’ min in 21 of his 24 starts, and the full 90’ in 18 of his 24.

Which leaves this

looking like a really disingenuous and unnecessary attempt at trying to skew the stats and the argument, lol.

FFS.

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No I miscalculated it, I must have missed a sub apearance.

Anyway, firstly his goal contribution can’t be improved because the 49.25 improves the goal contribution per minute ratio. It’s goto be higher. If we look at PL stats it’s 87.88 in total using total minutes.

But I’d rather look at goals per game. Because Theo played in 32 games. Getting subbed off because he’s out of gas or he’s coming on fresh against tired legs isn’t to his detriment in terms of goals/assists per game imo And when you look at it from that perspective he isn’t as impressive. Do you actually think if Theo started 38 games in 12/13 he’d have 24 goals and 10 assists? As opposed to his 14 and 10 in the 32 games he played in?

Trying to convince me through stats that Theo is such a good footballer:

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How many seasons did we have Walcott and Giroud as first team regular players?
With that sort of attacking talent it’s amazing how we didn’t win the PL. :grinning:

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Oi, don’t think you can just waltz back in here and start on Oli G!

Yeah some people live for stats lol. The guy was so underwhelming it’s unreal lol.

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Cazorla, Ozil, Sanchez and Aubameyang. That is it. Those four are the only (close to) world class players Arsenal has had post 2012.

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What makes you think I wasn’t being serious? :grinning:

C’mon, this isn’t even stats lol, it’s the most basic and obvious of stats (g/a), it’s more about trying to get people to accept the obvious, which you lot find so hard in the case of Theo:

final third player who scores and assists at extremely high rate = very good final third player

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But you called him ‘class’. Made a comprison with Sanchez to insinuate something… Walcott was an effective forward, but quite a shite overall footballer.

Indeed, cause he was class during that period (12-14). And indeed, given that his g/a output exceeded any of Sánchez’s seasons here comfortably, even the one he was playing as CF, and given that they are both final third players, there is indeed a comparison/insinuation to be made there.

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