The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Granted, this is a solid case you are making and I commend you for providing actual links and evidence to make your case instead of just throwing around ad hominem.

Besides the point that being a public listed company doesn’t exclude it from bias, manipulation and interference from external governments, I will take it as being a legitimate source.

I raise these points I posted before not to obfuscate anything. I merely share information I retrieve from other sources, sources banned in the free West.

There are a couple of points you didn’t respond to, but to which I provided also visual evidence. White armbands being Russian soldiers and pro-Russian civilians and blue armbands being Ukrainian soldiers. Dead bodies on the ground if they were wearing armbands those were white. Why would Russians shoot their own or those who would be sympathetic to them?

I can’t share actual videos, so I posted screencaps of the video. Where we see Ukrainian nazis shooting a body on the ground. In the video he says: “this guy is still alive” and proceeds to shoot him the head. That guy was wearing a white armband.

Based on that evidence, some claim the Azov Battalion may be behind these killings:

“Something very interesting then happens on [Saturday] 2 April, hours before a massacre is brought to the attention of the national and international media. The US and EU-funded Gorshenin Institute online [Ukrainian language] site Left Bank announced that:

‘Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.’

The Russian military has by now completely left the city, so this sounds for all the world like reprisals. The state authorities would be going through the city searching for ‘saboteurs’ and ‘accomplices of Russian forces.’ Only the day before [Friday], Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the town council authority, appeared on an information video on the Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce ‘the cleansing of the city.’ She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete (but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn), and that a ‘complete sweep’ had to be performed.”

After the coup of 2014 the Azov Battalion was designated a neo nazi militia, even by Western media such as the BBC and The Guardian. Only now we see a quick turnaround and obfuscation of anything Nazi related to this Azov Battalion and Nazi elements within Ukraine running rampant anti-Russian pogroms before the war as well.

Let’s be frank here, it could have been Ukrainian nationalists executing perceived collaborators with Russia. Hence the white armbands and the tied hands behind their backs.

Or do we think these nazi elements aren’t committing any atrocities, because then I have a bridge to sell to you.

Again, at the moment I believe the dominating narrative that it has been committed by Russian troops. I would be terrified to find out the Western media would comply in fabricating such a horrible story otherwise. But, until all the facts come out as the fog of war disappears, I will raise such points as I am raising.

Thanks again for at least engaging in this discussion by providing new materials and ideas.

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Driving my car I just heard on Dutch national radio BNR (a business radio station) a discussion about the maxar satellite images and the validity of them. Imagine that. Native Dutchies discussing this on national radio, they didn’t get the memo they aren’t supposed to do so I guess.

One guy said Maxar works on many fronts together with the United States government.

“Who we serve”

“US defense”

Interesting.

surely no conflict of interest right.

Anyway. Glad to hear normal people talk about this and question this stuff as it should be.

I am still waiting for more information to come out. Meanwhile I am keen to hear the explanation about the white vs blue armband argument.

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That is a fair response to the Maxar aspect. But in a similar vein, I also thought that the below was an equal valid and rigorous response to a video you posted, and Im not entirely sure if you came back to the points made

lol

I agree that we cannot draw final conclusions from a 40 second video clip. But, there are some answers I will provide that might enlighten a little. For the willing that is.

@Powderfinger question:

“How do you know it was recorded on March 31”

I know this, because it is literally what the mayor himself mentions in this video.

Good thing I speak Polish and Russian and Ukrainian is very similar to Russian and infused with Polish words too.

Don’t believe me. Absolutely check fact this with a native Ukrainian. He 100% mentions 31 of March at round the 4 second mark.

“or that immediately before or after the 40 seconds he wasn’t talking about the dead bodies?”

This is a video clip posted by him and as far as I know it is the video in its entirety. The same video has been shown on Ukraine 24 TV Channel on the day of the post.

He mentioned no stories at the time of dead corpses on the streets of Bucha.

You’re inferring conspiracy from an absence of mention without even knowing anything about the context of the video.

I am inferring many things here according to some of you, but in fact I am the one being very transparant about who I am, my background and where I got my information from. Often enough even directly from Western sources.

You can reasonably disagree with the information I provide on here without throwing around ad hominem and making poor analogies or providing tasteless hypothesis.

Locals wore white armbands to signal to Russian troops they are civilians and Russian troops have been wearing white armbands to identify themselves.

Ukrainian soldiers wear blue or yellow armbands. The two colours of their national flag.

Dead bodies in the streets of Bucha, mostly wearing white armbands.

The Bucha incident is a critical moment in the war. An impartial investigation is warranted, which probably only the U.N. could conduct. The Azov Battalion may have perpetrated revenge killings against Russian collaborators, or the Russians carried out this massacre. A rush to judgment is dangerous, with irresponsible talk of the U.S. directly fighting Russia. But it is a rush to judgment that we are getting.

Again I will say, at this point in time I will give the Western media the benefit of the doubt and trust that they wouldn’t resort to such terrifying lows as to misinform us of such atrocities. However, there are plenty of gaps that need to be filled before I can wholeheartedly confirm that this indeed is done by Russians.

Which to my mind, would make little sense of them to do. As it would indeed cast a terrible light on them. And it would lose a lot of goodwill. I understand people like Cristo see Russians as sub-human, as plenty of his posts on here have been horribly russophobic. However, the reality is, Ukrainians and those allied with them who want Russia to weaken, have a lot of motivation to conduct negative PR for Russia by spreading misinformation.

We will see and time will tell.

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This is an interesting article by The Guardian.

It’s interesting that in these times of war. Ukraine receives a lot of help in arms, donations by civilians and a lot of PR good will, but Ukraine’s foreign debt is not cancelled or alleviated. Humanitarian urgency be damned, debt needs to be repaid.

From the Guardian article:

Yet the grisly fact is that as yet more loans are granted – even though now without conditions – vast profits are to be made. Ukrainian bonds are trading at about 25 cents on a dollar, and so if repayments continue, hedge funds and banks are set to make profits of more than 300%. That the profit margins of the already obscenely rich are being inflated by the bloody slaughter of civilians should surely be a cause of universal revulsion – and sufficient impetus to action.

Despite the war raging across Ukraine, some hedge funds are making 300% in profit right now during this war. The IMF also lend money to Ukraine and is reaping some good profit on its repayments.

These are stone cold facts and shouldn’t be just brushed under the carpet. Where priorities seem to be a little off in the regard of Ukraine and its problems right now.

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Yep that in itself is a war crime. Distinctly different to an atrocity but a crime in itself in a time of war.

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Idiot Germany

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I’m surprised nuclear energy isn’t more widely used given it’s an obvious immediate solution

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Fossil fuel lobby

I think Chernobyl put the shits up people too

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And Fukushima.

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I saw a study that showed the cancers in Ukraine that were attributed to Chernobyl were massively overestimated.

Of course you had the acute effect of the radiation sickness but after that…

Fukushima was an unfortunate freak accident.

It’s a shame fossil fuel disasters never get the same play. They can be just as dangerous is have thought

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I probably don’t know enough about it, but I wouldn’t discount the possibility that the dangers of nuclear power and severity of nuclear disasters were exaggerated by Big Fossil Fuel, that’s obviously the kind of shit they’d do lol.

But either way, I do think disasters like those mentioned have coloured people’s perception of nuclear power.

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For sure, it’s the number one argument all the anti-nuclear people use always. “What about 3 mile island? Chernobyl? Fukushima?!”

All freak accidents that we’ve learnt a lot from and very likely won’t happen again.

We need Nuclear power. It’s cheap (once it’s been built), it’s clean and it’s stable (that’s very key).

The real key to the future is having a strong energy mix of both nuclear and renewables (hydrogen included). You can’t rely on renewables 100% because the wind isn’t always blowing or the sun always shining, so at those times it would be very useful to have a strong grid of nuclear energy to pick up the slack. At least until renewables become so cheap and efficient we can just turn all of the energy produced into hydrogen and have that as our key, major fuel source.

Some people try to make this into a very polarised topic i.e. you’re either 100% renewables or 100% nuclear but the real solution is having a healthy mix of both,

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Rabbid environmental leftists are the reason

Is there a lot of people on the renewables side against nuclear power do you think?

I would hope many are realising what you think about needing nuclear.

The main drawback with nuclear is the cost up front.

The problem in all 3 of those instances was also the prehistoric infrastructure and lack of proper maintenance as well no?

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On the surface it’s a no-brainer to jack up nuclear power in present circumstances but, as usual, it probably depends on whose fingers are in whose pies. Follow Schultz’s money. That might be a good first step to figure out his rationale.

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Imagine!!! I remember the Sea Empress oil spill very well in 1996 on the coast of South West Wales, our family lived in Milford Haven due to my dad’s job.
What a fucking mess that was.

Then there was another time I was younger again, couldn’t tell you what age, but one of the girls in my class got called out of class because her dad had not survived on an oil rig disaster in the North Sea, I must’ve been really young as I spoke with my mother about it the other week and she was shocked I could remember it, the Piper Alpha rig in 1988, I believe.

I now currently live about 12 miles as the crow flies from the under construction Hinckley Point C nuclear power station, I’m not bothered one bit, has done wonders for the value of my house :rofl:

I guess it’s mostly yoghurt weaving hippies who don’t mind not having electricity and bathing in ponds who think like that.

I think most people I know that work with renewables realise that for the short-medium term we need to mix it with alternatives.

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