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She didnā€™t write the article. Just saying, cos itā€™s not even as if she wrote it and that sentence was her words and thatā€™s what sheā€™s being punished for.

But I donā€™t disagree, sheā€™s no loss.

No thatā€™s fair enough, it was a bit of a shit comment from me tbh, Iā€™m just fed up with politics so dont expect any insight from me :grin: also there are so many averaging politicians and its pissess me offā€¦

Voltaire once wrote: ā€œTo find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.ā€

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Exactly. The centrist types and commentators are loving it. So Starmer is obviously hoping that he can whittle down the membership, defeat the left and win an election by appealing to the moderate types. It wont work but from his point of view itā€™s a strategy.

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Jonathon Pie slinging truth bombs all over the place here, but given what Iā€™ve said about the RBL incident, think it goes best here:

Snap :grin:

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On a day Graham Linehan was driven off twitter, it rings extra true.

But I do think it is unfair to exclusively label left wingers as the creators of this phenomenon (even though they now are by far the biggest users of it).

As I said in my earlier post, speaking out against Israel was the original cancellation act.

Marc Lamont Hill was tenured but still got sacked for speaking out against Israel, and NYT dipshits like Bari Weiss and Bret Stephens demanded he be sacked (incidentally they also rate against cancel-culture, but few point out that hypocrisy).

And then of course the demands of the Labour party under Corbyn here, the demands for sackings and for accepting certain definitions etc.

In all, I wish everyone would grow up and could just ignore people who said dumb things, and not destroy livelihoods.

I agree how hard itā€™s always been to critique Israel. The difference here is that all she did was retweet a published article from a respected newspaper. She didnā€™t even say anything. How have we reached the stage where a mere retweet is a sackable offense? I would argue itā€™s because our own side have called for such things to be sackable for so long, and with such success, that itā€™s become an established norm.

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I mean thereā€™s the fact most of our MPā€™s are corrupted ā€˜Friends of Israelā€™, with all their free holidays. And the fact many people in the media will look to destroy/cancel anyone against Israeli agenda because of Pro Israeli gatekeeping.

We really needs to be some left wing pushback against Pro Israeli corruption.

I liked Starmer before this move but I think heā€™s showing his stripes right now.

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Itā€™s not hard to critique Israel. Just criticize the government and donā€™t veer into tinfoil hat territory regarding Jews as a whole.

Easy example: The Israeli government policy towards the Palestinian people is a racist and colonial endeavor. The politicians responsible should be ashamed.

This is a criticism of government policy.

What is out of bounds is taking that terrible government policy and saying that because the people behind it are Jewish the worldwide Jewish community as a whole is to blame. I donā€™t live in Israel, they donā€™t represent me, that clown of a president there doesnā€™t represent me. But some people canā€™t differentiate between Jews as a religious/ethnic/cultural community and Israel as a political entity.

Interestingly, a lot of times itā€™s hard line right wing politicians in Israel who deliberately conflate the two in an attempt to spook older folks living outside Israel into believing theyā€™re unsafe living in France or the US.

ā€˜Itā€™s not hard to critique Israelā€™, yet the MP here hasnā€™t done anything under your definition of ā€˜out of boundsā€™, under you criteria.

Sheā€™s meerly linked an article which truthfulyl states US police have an exchange policy to train police in Israel. Thatā€™s why sheā€™s been sacked. Itā€™s absolutely disgusting. Regardless of religion or ethnity you should be disgusted

If any people are using your religion or ethnicity to wrongly discriminate against others you should be ethically opposed

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He wasnā€™t driven off. He has spent years picking a fight and people fought him back. Heā€™s a hate filled prick and heā€™s deserved the ban for years to be honest.

After a quick peruse of his wiki. Whatā€™s you basis for this?

Seeing what he was posting.

Well ok, what are you best examples? I donā€™t vacate twitter

Well all his tweets are deleted so I canā€™t link but he was sending hundreds a day (obviously some more objectionable than others). Search #glinner on there and Iā€™d imagine youā€™ll find plenty of what Iā€™m talking about. If youā€™re actually interested that is.

Heā€™s not the most tactful and respectful of people granted, but I donā€™t think he deserved to be driven off.

But I guess the situations arenā€™t comparable as he was taken off a social media platform and not lose his job.

@Dr_Strangepass youā€™re right there tbf.

Thatā€™s exactly why he deserved to be banned (not driven off).

My dude, Iā€™m not arguing to the contrary. I think it was a mistake to fire her.

Twitterā€™s banning policy is impossible to figure out. That guy gets banned, but you can go and watch someone literally sucking juice, with a straw, out of a pornstars asshole.

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