I hope we are past peak Reform?
Especially since they seem to be running it back with the Boris looters.
More and more people realising they don’t offer the solutions to fixing this country. It is more of the same that ended us in this mess?
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Yep I’ve noticed that they seem to be generating less frenzied support even on social media. Seems like Restore have a buzz now and it doesn’t help that Farage is publicly supporting UK going to war and also hiring a bunch of failed Tories n
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Yeah, their goal was to hit 50% in the polls at one point. 30% Looks like their peak which makes sense when people would walk over broken glass to vote for anyone but reform.
I 90% sure the next government will be left leaning coalition of some type
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Polling is a bit weird with them. YouGov has them in them the mid-20’s for quite awhile now. Other polling has them still around 30’s. Normally you’d average it out but this seems a case of who to believe.
The ex-Tories as we all predicted offering not much of anything for them.
The May elections will be a interesting snapshot. Labour and Tories keep sliding. They’re going to get massive kickings from Greens and Reform.
Restore will definitely affect that and I hope people haven’t forgotten the Tory MPs that wrecked their country that Reform want to sell you as a fresh solution.
Restore at least have a coherent foreign policy agenda.
May is definitely going to be a much more reliable indication of where things are going than any polls.
I’ll be looking to see what the Greens do with any gains. If they enter local coalitions with Labour, I’ll know I can’t vote for them in the GE. They’ve done so previously but with an expanded support base I wonder if their outlook will change, especially with voters coming to them because they want to reject Labour.
I genuinely don’t think the Greens would entertain the idea now. The current iteration of Labour are so far removed from left wing politics that it would be political suicide for them to align with Labour.
that’s not to say politicians can’t surprise us but it feels that ideologically they are so far apart now that Polanski knows he would alienate his entire voter base by
They’d be stupid not to if it is their only chance to get into power.
History is littered with political parties that decided not to go into a coalition government and then never got the chance again.
I’m sure if the choice for Greens was a Lab + Green coalition government or not being in government at all, they’d choose the former.
I think you’re definitely betraying your lack of experience of thinking like a leftist there, because many would certainly would rather lose on principle than succeed and win and become relevant 
But also, and slightly more seriously, you have to look at why it might be that their vote is growing. Part of it is this new leader, but I think a bigger part may well come from people who want to vote against Reform but also want to vote against Labour. Being willing to work with Labour would, I think, put a lot of this new support off.
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Ordinarily I’d agree with you but the electorate is shifting in ways it never has before. There has probably never been a time in modern history that Labour and Conservative Party polling is so low and that traditionally smaller parties are making huge gains.
I think the general political outlook of the younger generations needs to be taken into account too. Our generation are probably way more likely to vote a party like Green in than the older generation that have always traditionally gone for the conservatives.
I just feel like Greens undermine all the goodwill they’ve got from voters atm by getting into bed with a party that are effectively the Tories
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Hahaha very good points from you both, that does make sense.
It does feel like the next election will be a very angry and polarised one.
Hopefully I’ll be a citizen by then so I can experience that uniquely British feeling of frustration that my vote didn’t count for anything because I live in a party stronghold lol
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Yeah, people said the same about the Lib Dems in 2010.
It’s not as clear cut a decision as you make out.
And it’s our generation that propped up Lib Dem support and our generation that just won’t forgive them for it and subsequently saw their popularity plunder
It depends on the coalition deal. In 2010, the Lib Dems made a bad decision and negotiated badly and lost out as a result.
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A party that have continued a policy of austerity, supported a genocide of Palestinian people, sought tougher immigration laws and used divisive language that Enoch Powell would be proud of have absolutely nothing to offer a left wing party like the Greens.
There is no coalition they could enter that would reflect well on the Green party. They’d look like a bunch of spineless cowards who got into bed with the most unpopular PM we’ve possibly ever had.
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Starmer will be out and the Party will be more left wing by 2029.
I’m absolutely convinced a left wing coalition will be done.
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Excellent. Well the right wing and centre right have had their chance to make the UK a better place and over the course of my 53 years living here, they’ve fucked the system and they’ve fucked us citizens.
Rather than try a more extreme version of what we’ve had for decades, perhaps it’s time to see whether the left can fix things for the majority, not just the rich.
The perfect definition of “Stupid” is to repeatedly make the same mistakes, I therefore decree that a majority of the UK electorate (and I’m not immune from it) have been stupid but may be starting to see things for what they really are.
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@Leper what level of coalition would you tolerate?
Surely a confidence and supply would be ok?
Certainly if the alternative is a Ziolooter coalition of Reform and Tory
Coalition will absolutely be on the cards no matter what which party says if no outstanding majority is achieved.
The problem is I don’t think any coalition government will last very long. That goes for either left or right.
@JakeyBoy This little talk of the Greens I just remembered you asked me a question in the Labour thread couple days ago and I forgot to answer. Sorry
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