Yeah this is pretty much what everyone expected to be the case. I wonder if it’ll ever be “leaked” what his alleged transgressions actually were
Arteta clearly can’t handle the sweg
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I guess you can be a bit of a twat and get away with it if you hit 30 goals a season but it’s a harder sell when you’re closer to 10.
I don’t buy this seeping into others stuff though. Like, was anyone else showing up late etc?
We’ll maybe see in the Amazon documentary but I still maintain it was probably a lot of little indiscretions. His greatest and most severe crime was signing on the dotted line for £350k a week and that shit wasn’t flying with someone higher up. Someone way above Arteta’s pay grade
Pure conspiracy theorist stuff but I genuinely would bet someone upstairs told Arteta that Auba had to go and they would consider the loss of the star man during reflection of Arteta’s contract and expectations.
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Yep I pretty much believe that if he was scoring 30 goals a season then nobody would give a shit about his indiscretions. Much like @Craigie said a week or so ago, would we really be moving Auba on if he was still scoring 20 league goals a season just because he turned up late home from a flight? Probably not.
@Castiel I actually genuinely believe that Arteta has autonomy over this team and who comes and goes. I think it’s pretty much Edu and Arteta and the board back Arteta before they back Edu - which is why we got Tomiyasu and Ramsdale and not Neto and Emerson Royal. I think Arteta makes the final calls and I think he had enough of Auba
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He’s such a terrible example for the team yet was given a fat pay raise and the captains arm band. If you spend time around the guy, as much as a manager should around his players, how is his attitude not already a red flag?
Btw the culture thing has already been debunked. Xhaka and Willian did shit and were right back in the team straight away. Hypocrisy.
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Of course we wouldn’t. I’m sure even Henry was a cunt at times but he never let his performances drop so nobody ever complained.
It’s just on top of 15 months of bad form, there’s the supposedly repeated transgressions. Until this latest issue the club were suffering through both and even still playing him 90 mins every game, as frustrating as that was.
I certainly believe he has a ton of input as most managers will, but the reason that makes me think this about Auba is the fact that it went down the exact same way Ozil. Arteta clearly wanted to utilize Ozil at the start and went out as soon as humanly possible and signed a similar profile in Odegaard.
Now I don’t think Arteta froze Ozil out because he was trying to finish Emery’s business, but I do think there was someone at the club adamant that Ozil had to go. The parallels between Ozil and Auba are there for me, not so much Guendou, Torreira or others that have been frozen out. I was saying from the very beginning Auba would never play for us again, and it wasn’t because Arteta suddenly decided a striker he once called “our most important player” starting grinding Arteta’s gears with idiosyncrasies and bad habits.
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I would point to what @BigWeng_4LYFE says though in that if he was considered a bad influence as he’s been painted out to be then why was he rewarded with a £350k contract and the captains armband?
Makes you wonder if the issues started strictly after the contract in which case he’s been a monumental prick. But if Auba is being as Auba has always been then he’s likely been the same guy his entire time here - just without the form to justify if now.
Sad either way how this worked out. You’d hope the club stayed away from mega contracts in the future and just stuck to a specific wage structure as most clubs do these days. There’s always too many issues and politics attached to big contracts at any club - and we’ve handed out two stinkers in the space of a few years with Ozil and Auba.
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It’s really hard to say for sure what is going on. I can read your posts and totally see where you’re coming from when you look at the glaring similarities between the two exits. We even paid them both off to leave earlier.
I think with Auba there was maybe more backstage that wound the players up. He’s missing easy chances, not playing very well, looking checked out at times and then he’s also on £350k a week and taking trips to see his side chick or turning up late to match days. I think maybe there’s a little bit of animosity in the dressing room towards Auba and that possibly set Arteta off.
I don’t think we’ll know the truth in the same way we never really knew for sure what happened with Ozil
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Think all the issues with Auba,Ozil,Guen you could back the club/Arteta on.
I mostly have on here tbh but what you do have to concede there is a bad vibe that doesn’t reflect well on him or the club.
Sooner or later that word spreads and players or more importantly agents become concerned.
Certainly in a bid against other clubs for a player this could be significant.
Lazy journalists only have to use a term like disciplinarian for a reputation too build for potential damage.
We have to address this as a club.
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Not sure.
I heard some reports last week that Greenwood has had timekeeping / “disciplinary” issues too when all his shit came out. He seems to be playing okay under a couple of coaches and I don’t know if it’s true but I hadn’t heard it mentioned anywhere before as a problem.
So the crux for me is do you think Arsenal are uniquely cursed by players with poor attitudes acting up, or are we just the ones not willing or able to deal with it and work around it?
I think it’s pretty clear that as a grouping of people, footballers are quite often disproportionately cunts. You can say it’s the money or the fame or the lack of education or whatever, but I can’t imagine all football clubs have 25 model professionals, never having a drink, never being late, never being arrogant, never treating a woman like shit, never staying up too late on a training day.
I can’t say I’ve worked in a team of 25 in any of my jobs where every single person wasn’t some degree of unprofessional somewhere down the line, including myself of course. Footballers are paid for their ability but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t as flawed as any other group of 25 people.
There was a big deal made of Arteta being the player collecting the fines for disciplinary breaches at Arsenal, and that says to me that minor disciplinary breaches are something that happens somewhat consistently.
So TLDR - I think Arteta / the club are taking a stand which they are entitled to do, if they only want good boys that’s fair, but IMO I can’t believe that what we’re seeing isn’t happening at all sorts of clubs, it’s just they’re more willing to manage it, so I’m not going to point fingers at our worst offenders and make out like they’re the worst humans in professional football.
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I am with you for most parts but there is one element I tend to come back to - which is - Aubameyang is the captain.
Greenwood is a peripheral player but if Maguire starts behaving unprofessionally, then there is a problem.
Do you think, in a team of 25, it would be acceptable to make allowance for the boss’ unprofessionalism?
Maguire did start throwing around his status as Man U captain when arrested in a foreign country lol. I’d say that’s more unprofessional than anything Auba has done, to our knowledge anyway.
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That’s true, but when Xhaka was captain, he showed a complete disrespect for the club as well as the supporters and he’s not only still here, he’s still one of the first on Arteta’s team sheet.
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TBF, Xhaka’s tantrum came when Emery was coach.
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Jury still out in that regards though. You can’t definitively say he was in the wrong.
Even if the stories are made up, is the club going to sit him down and grill the truth out of him?
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Well first I’ll say the captain isn’t the boss they’re more of a ceremonial leader.
But no I don’t think you would accept that as much from the boss, but the solution to that is to make him not the captain which is easily done in football and not in other jobs.
I’m not too fussed about Auba losing the captaincy as that’s the manager’s privilege to dish out to who he thinks is his man that represents whatever he thinks a captain should, but if he was a known prick with a repeated pattern of big issues and being the captain is so special then why make him the captain at all