Martin Zubimendi (36)

That’s selective memory. I can’t help it.

You can’t help It because what you are saying has no base.

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Ramsey’s entire Arsenal career was a half season spell in 13/14 where he scored a lot of goals and then got injured. There’s not a point in history that this guy played any role in Playing as part of a dominating midfield.

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In second half of 2011-12 season, he paired with Arteta.
Arsenal lost only two games in league since Feb

As i said, Selective memory

Arteta, in the 25 games in 2011/12, continued to show that he was able to get thoroughly involved in the side with a high amount of passes. He averaged 78 passes in those matches at a pass completion rate of 90.5%. A criticism of Arteta in the 2012/13 season by some Arsenal fans was he passed the ball backwards and sideways too often, but this wasn’t the case in 2011/12. 47% of his passes went forward, with only 12% going backwards.

Moving onto the 2012/13 season, where Mikel Arteta played in the tackling/shielding midfielder, who started many of Arsenal’s attacking plays. Arteta’s statistics from 2012/13 show that he averaged 80.9 passes per match at 91.5%. A statistic which is important is that Arteta only averaged 5.3 long passes (over 30 metres) per match. This means in 2012/13, he played lots of short, sharp passes and gets the ball moving along the ground. Compared to the 2.2 key passes Arteta averaged in 2011/12, he only averaged 0.8 key passes per match in 2012/13, which is expected in the role he played.

The most important stats for this role, though, are the defensive based statistics. In 2012/13, Arteta attempted 109 tackles throughout the season at a 69% success rate. Arteta completed 99 interceptions, which means he averaged 2.91 per match. Arteta was dribbled past 33 times in 34 EPL appearances in 2012/13 and made 2 defensive errors, which lead to opposition goals.

To gain some context, these statistics must be compared to see where a player actually sits. Arteta’s statistics will be compared to Michael Carrick, who many feel is the best defensive midfielder in the EPL. Carrick averaged 77.1 in his 36 2012/13 EPL appearances at a success rate of 88.1%. This means that Arteta played more passes per match, on average, at a better pass completion rate. Carrick, also, averaged 5.8 long passes per match, which is similar to Arteta.

Defensively, the better statistics are weighted between Arteta. This is as, Carrick only achieved at 83 tackles throughout the season, at 71.25% success rate. In terms of interceptions, Carrick completed 76 interceptions, compared to Arteta’s 99. Also, Carrick was dribbled past on 38 occasions in his 36 appearances in 2012/13 and made 4 defensive errors which lead to goals, compared to the 2 of Arteta.

arTeTA WaS aN aVerAgE MiDfIelDEr
arTEta WAS NOT A gOOD dEfeNSIVe mIdfIELDeR

For some people, everything we did back in Wenger days was terrible.
Their opinion should never be taken seriously.

Even when the data is available with a quick google search, they will still be so confident.

Hehe. Ramsey didn’t play against Blackburn, Tottenham and Liverpool and he didn’t start against Sunderland, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Man City and West Brom (Song did). In the latter games he was used as a sub for 10-20 minutes.

Not losing doesn’t equal dominating and if they did dominate in this stretch Song was an equal part in it as Ramsey was.

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I actually didn’t say that pivot in those three seasons was terrible. I said they were decent and argued against your statement that they were dominating.

I’m here for the defence of Arteta who was getting overly slated but Ramsey is exactly how @SRCJJ described.

That and a goal in the final :roll_eyes:

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Alright, How about 2012-13 season
This is Ramsey’s stats

1 goal 1 assist in 18 apps?

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He was playing a defensive role
Ramsey used to top the chart in terms of tackles & interceptions

2013-14 season broke him as a player.

I think that was more due to us losing Fabregas and nasri and not replacing them.

Arteta obviously wasn’t on their level but if we had him and a proper replacement for those 2 then we would be better

But going on a good run equals dominating?

The sad part is Arteta was probably his (indirect) replacement and going forward a Song-Ramsey-Arteta midfield was intended. Because of injuries, Song leaving etc it never came together. Broken down Rosicky was better than either than those two on the number 10 position. It was him who carried us in the second part of the 11/12 season. After that we signed Cazorla, which should have happened in 2011. We were just rubbish on the market in those days.

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Not sure if it was selective or not.

To be fair Ramsey scored some important goals for us, but at the same time we lost some games because he was out of position and got caught.

For Arteta, he never had the legs and physicality as a dominant DM when part with Ramsey. He was okay but no way we can use the word dominant.

Didn’t last long as the best #6 in the world :eyes:

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I miss Partey. Zubi is class but where have his line breaking passes gone?

Nobody misses Partey. Zubi has been excellent for us.

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I think @Truth_hurts does. Not sure how I know that. Just a hunch.

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